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A B727 flight crew crossed the CAT I hold line at cyyz without clearance because it was not shown on the navigation chart.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 706074 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200608 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cyyz.airport |
| State Reference | ON |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 706074 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
On taxi on taxiway J to runway 23; told to follow a B767 by ground. Switched by ground to tower and informed by tower that I had crossed the 'first' hold short line. Told tower we show/see hold short 200 ft in front of us. He then again stated that we were past the first hold short line. Figured out he was referring to the CAT I ILS hold short for runway 23. My company is attempting to convert from one commercial navigation publication to another commercial navigation publication. There is no reference to the ILS CAT I hold short line in any commercial publication from the new provider pertaining to runway 23. There is reference to ILS CAT I hold short on the original commercial provider chart. Toronto was landing runways 26 and departing runway 23. No conflict was created by this confusion. On subsequent nights were instructed by ground to hold short of ILS CAT I line for runway 23.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B727 FLT CREW CROSSED THE CAT I HOLD LINE AT CYYZ WITHOUT CLRNC BECAUSE IT WAS NOT SHOWN ON THE NAV CHART.
Narrative: ON TAXI ON TXWY J TO RWY 23; TOLD TO FOLLOW A B767 BY GND. SWITCHED BY GND TO TWR AND INFORMED BY TWR THAT I HAD CROSSED THE 'FIRST' HOLD SHORT LINE. TOLD TWR WE SHOW/SEE HOLD SHORT 200 FT IN FRONT OF US. HE THEN AGAIN STATED THAT WE WERE PAST THE FIRST HOLD SHORT LINE. FIGURED OUT HE WAS REFERRING TO THE CAT I ILS HOLD SHORT FOR RWY 23. MY COMPANY IS ATTEMPTING TO CONVERT FROM ONE COMMERCIAL NAV PUB TO ANOTHER COMMERCIAL NAV PUB. THERE IS NO REF TO THE ILS CAT I HOLD SHORT LINE IN ANY COMMERCIAL PUB FROM THE NEW PROVIDER PERTAINING TO RWY 23. THERE IS REF TO ILS CAT I HOLD SHORT ON THE ORIGINAL COMMERCIAL PROVIDER CHART. TORONTO WAS LNDG RWYS 26 AND DEPARTING RWY 23. NO CONFLICT WAS CREATED BY THIS CONFUSION. ON SUBSEQUENT NIGHTS WERE INSTRUCTED BY GND TO HOLD SHORT OF ILS CAT I LINE FOR RWY 23.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.