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C182 pilot cites concerns with close quarters transition in lax class B airspace along an established routing in close proximity to the runways at lax.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 687007 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200602 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Route In Use | enroute other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
| Make Model Name | Cessna Single Piston Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Route In Use | enroute other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 10 flight time total : 1100 flight time type : 300 |
| ASRS Report | 687007 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : foreign |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | FAA Airspace Structure Airport |
| Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
I departed smo for lax mini-route sebound. Tower advised right 270 degrees at shoreline for climb to 2500 ft (mini-route altitude). Call lax tower 1/2 mi north of lmu; received class B clearance for mini-route at 2500 ft. Over lax north complex; advised of traffic; 12 O'clock position (aircraft #2); same altitude; opposite direction. Traffic was visually idented and passed 1/2 mi off left wing. Having 2 aircraft required to be on the same VOR radial and altitude puts them in conflict by regulation. Recommend that lax tower not issue class B mini-route clearance to more than 1 aircraft at a time. Have aircraft #2 hold south or north of class B until aircraft #1 report or is known to be clear of the mini-route class airspace.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C182 PLT CITES CONCERNS WITH CLOSE QUARTERS TRANSITION IN LAX CLASS B AIRSPACE ALONG AN ESTABLISHED ROUTING IN CLOSE PROX TO THE RWYS AT LAX.
Narrative: I DEPARTED SMO FOR LAX MINI-RTE SEBOUND. TWR ADVISED R 270 DEGS AT SHORELINE FOR CLB TO 2500 FT (MINI-RTE ALT). CALL LAX TWR 1/2 MI N OF LMU; RECEIVED CLASS B CLRNC FOR MINI-RTE AT 2500 FT. OVER LAX N COMPLEX; ADVISED OF TFC; 12 O'CLOCK POS (ACFT #2); SAME ALT; OPPOSITE DIRECTION. TFC WAS VISUALLY IDENTED AND PASSED 1/2 MI OFF L WING. HAVING 2 ACFT REQUIRED TO BE ON THE SAME VOR RADIAL AND ALT PUTS THEM IN CONFLICT BY REG. RECOMMEND THAT LAX TWR NOT ISSUE CLASS B MINI-RTE CLRNC TO MORE THAN 1 ACFT AT A TIME. HAVE ACFT #2 HOLD S OR N OF CLASS B UNTIL ACFT #1 RPT OR IS KNOWN TO BE CLR OF THE MINI-RTE CLASS AIRSPACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.