C560 flight crew is admonished by controller for not turning soon enough on teb 5 departure.

Attributes
ACN	666765
Time
Date	200507
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : teb.airport
State Reference	NJ
Altitude	msl single value : 1500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90.tracon
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Citation Excel
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	climbout : initial
Route In Use	departure sid : teb
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 600
ASRS Report	666765
Person 2
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation non adherence : company policies
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory
Supplementary
Problem Areas	FAA Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure Chart Or Publication
Primary Problem	Airspace Structure

Narrative:

Following the teb 5 departure we climbed runway heading to 1500 ft then a right turn to 280 degrees. We were leveling at 1500 ft runway heading at 3.5 DME starting a turn to 280 degrees when the controller gave us a 310 degree heading and said 'you are supposed to turn to 280 degrees when you reach 1500 ft.' we said we were already starting the turn. The last couple hundred ft of climb were slowed so we did not float our passenger. It is not rational to think we can hold 3000 ft a minute climb to 1500 ft and level off at the altitude. Two points: 1) we had started the turn. 2) we were only 3.5 DME although quickly approaching 4.5 DME. If the airspace is that tight then departure should give us the 280 degree heading on checkin; not situation there and wait and see what we do and if we do it to their liking.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: C560 FLT CREW IS ADMONISHED BY CTLR FOR NOT TURNING SOON ENOUGH ON TEB 5 DEP.

Narrative: FOLLOWING THE TEB 5 DEP WE CLIMBED RWY HDG TO 1500 FT THEN A R TURN TO 280 DEGS. WE WERE LEVELING AT 1500 FT RWY HDG AT 3.5 DME STARTING A TURN TO 280 DEGS WHEN THE CTLR GAVE US A 310 DEG HDG AND SAID 'YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO TURN TO 280 DEGS WHEN YOU REACH 1500 FT.' WE SAID WE WERE ALREADY STARTING THE TURN. THE LAST COUPLE HUNDRED FT OF CLB WERE SLOWED SO WE DID NOT FLOAT OUR PAX. IT IS NOT RATIONAL TO THINK WE CAN HOLD 3000 FT A MINUTE CLB TO 1500 FT AND LEVEL OFF AT THE ALT. TWO POINTS: 1) WE HAD STARTED THE TURN. 2) WE WERE ONLY 3.5 DME ALTHOUGH QUICKLY APCHING 4.5 DME. IF THE AIRSPACE IS THAT TIGHT THEN DEP SHOULD GIVE US THE 280 DEG HDG ON CHECKIN; NOT SIT THERE AND WAIT AND SEE WHAT WE DO AND IF WE DO IT TO THEIR LIKING.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.