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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 651272 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200502 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A320 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial ground : pushback ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 651272 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Maintenance Human Performance Aircraft Company |
| Primary Problem | Maintenance Human Performance |
Narrative:
Aircraft had right wing anti-ice valve deferred and wired in the 'open' position. MEL placard stated to expect ecams on startup; climb out; and after landing; but gave no further details. No ECAM occurred after start or on climb out. Because of this; the proper bleed confign was not known. We relayed messages back and forth with maintenance; but most of the information they gave us was straight from the placard which stated to follow ECAM guidance. This procedure is vague and ambiguous. While I do not feel that safety was jeopardized; I do not feel comfortable with this level of ambiguity when operating this aircraft. Without more thorough guidance; I will refuse to fly any aircraft with this deferral in the future.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A320 WING ANTI-ICE VALVE WAS MEL'ED OPEN BUT THE ECAM DID NOT PRESENT THE EXPECTED ANNUNCIATIONS.
Narrative: ACFT HAD R WING ANTI-ICE VALVE DEFERRED AND WIRED IN THE 'OPEN' POS. MEL PLACARD STATED TO EXPECT ECAMS ON STARTUP; CLBOUT; AND AFTER LNDG; BUT GAVE NO FURTHER DETAILS. NO ECAM OCCURRED AFTER START OR ON CLBOUT. BECAUSE OF THIS; THE PROPER BLEED CONFIGN WAS NOT KNOWN. WE RELAYED MESSAGES BACK AND FORTH WITH MAINT; BUT MOST OF THE INFO THEY GAVE US WAS STRAIGHT FROM THE PLACARD WHICH STATED TO FOLLOW ECAM GUIDANCE. THIS PROC IS VAGUE AND AMBIGUOUS. WHILE I DO NOT FEEL THAT SAFETY WAS JEOPARDIZED; I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS LEVEL OF AMBIGUITY WHEN OPERATING THIS ACFT. WITHOUT MORE THOROUGH GUIDANCE; I WILL REFUSE TO FLY ANY ACFT WITH THIS DEFERRAL IN THE FUTURE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.