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A B757 landing jfk expressed frustration regarding ATC handling with regard to speed and vector techniques.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 646637 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200501 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : jfk.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
| Environment | |
| Weather Elements | Fog |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| ASRS Report | 646637 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Aircraft Weather |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : n90.tracon |
Narrative:
After flying all night long; new york approach turned us on to final with a 40 KT tailwind at 7000 ft with 10 NM to lose 5500 ft. With the gear and flaps and speed brake out we were going to barely catch the glide slope before the autoland computer had time to do its bit check. You get the point. Slam dunk to an autoland. Also; did I mention that they asked us to slow to our approach speed while all this is going on? We were following a heavy. Nice job new york. This is the second time I've had bad controllers since I've been here in ny. Never have I had this kind of poor controling in chicago on a 1200 RVR day. Does anybody in ATC understand what's going on in the cockpit in the WX; tailwind; high; and no advanced warning about the turn on? People wonder why bad things happen. It's because we write things up and no one does anything about it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757 LNDG JFK EXPRESSED FRUSTRATION REGARDING ATC HANDLING WITH REGARD TO SPD AND VECTOR TECHNIQUES.
Narrative: AFTER FLYING ALL NIGHT LONG; NEW YORK APCH TURNED US ON TO FINAL WITH A 40 KT TAILWIND AT 7000 FT WITH 10 NM TO LOSE 5500 FT. WITH THE GEAR AND FLAPS AND SPD BRAKE OUT WE WERE GOING TO BARELY CATCH THE GLIDE SLOPE BEFORE THE AUTOLAND COMPUTER HAD TIME TO DO ITS BIT CHK. YOU GET THE POINT. SLAM DUNK TO AN AUTOLAND. ALSO; DID I MENTION THAT THEY ASKED US TO SLOW TO OUR APCH SPD WHILE ALL THIS IS GOING ON? WE WERE FOLLOWING A HEAVY. NICE JOB NEW YORK. THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE HAD BAD CTLRS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN NY. NEVER HAVE I HAD THIS KIND OF POOR CTLING IN CHICAGO ON A 1200 RVR DAY. DOES ANYBODY IN ATC UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COCKPIT IN THE WX; TAILWIND; HIGH; AND NO ADVANCED WARNING ABOUT THE TURN ON? PEOPLE WONDER WHY BAD THINGS HAPPEN. IT'S BECAUSE WE WRITE THINGS UP AND NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.