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P50 controller experienced conflict when succeeding aircraft maintains unexpected speed and overtakes preceding aircraft on final at phx.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 640793 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200412 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : phx.airport |
| State Reference | AZ |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 2000 agl single value : 39 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : p50.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : p50.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 22 |
| ASRS Report | 640793 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed go around flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 10740 vertical : 60 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were running staggered ILS approach. The first jet hit the FAF 6 mi from the runway and slowed to 120 KTS. My aircraft, which was low on fuel (that fact he did not inform me of) remained at 170 KTS inside the marker. I was busy turning other aircraft into the stagger formation and relied on the phx tower (separate facility) to help us keep the 2 mi stagger, which did not happen. I have not received skill enhancement training in over 1 yr on these type approachs. I operated a training plan at this facility well over 1 yr ago, at which time we were told by management that we would start final monitor training for this type approach as soon as we started using the company system (rdvs). Also at this time we had a meeting with phx tower controllers asking them to accept separation responsibility and they agreed. But so far, nothing has changed here. No final monitored approachs, no pro-active plan to help controllers in this outdated procedure for the traffic we have. I have worked at crw, mia, 001, and this facility is by far the worst the FAA has to offer.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: P50 CTLR EXPERIENCED CONFLICT WHEN SUCCEEDING ACFT MAINTAINS UNEXPECTED SPD AND OVERTAKES PRECEDING ACFT ON FINAL AT PHX.
Narrative: WE WERE RUNNING STAGGERED ILS APCH. THE FIRST JET HIT THE FAF 6 MI FROM THE RWY AND SLOWED TO 120 KTS. MY ACFT, WHICH WAS LOW ON FUEL (THAT FACT HE DID NOT INFORM ME OF) REMAINED AT 170 KTS INSIDE THE MARKER. I WAS BUSY TURNING OTHER ACFT INTO THE STAGGER FORMATION AND RELIED ON THE PHX TWR (SEPARATE FACILITY) TO HELP US KEEP THE 2 MI STAGGER, WHICH DID NOT HAPPEN. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED SKILL ENHANCEMENT TRAINING IN OVER 1 YR ON THESE TYPE APCHS. I OPERATED A TRAINING PLAN AT THIS FACILITY WELL OVER 1 YR AGO, AT WHICH TIME WE WERE TOLD BY MGMNT THAT WE WOULD START FINAL MONITOR TRAINING FOR THIS TYPE APCH AS SOON AS WE STARTED USING THE COMPANY SYS (RDVS). ALSO AT THIS TIME WE HAD A MEETING WITH PHX TWR CTLRS ASKING THEM TO ACCEPT SEPARATION RESPONSIBILITY AND THEY AGREED. BUT SO FAR, NOTHING HAS CHANGED HERE. NO FINAL MONITORED APCHS, NO PRO-ACTIVE PLAN TO HELP CTLRS IN THIS OUTDATED PROC FOR THE TFC WE HAVE. I HAVE WORKED AT CRW, MIA, 001, AND THIS FACILITY IS BY FAR THE WORST THE FAA HAS TO OFFER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.