<< >> NASA ASRS Report 635283, October 2004

On taxi out from FBO at sdf, CL60 crew failed to hold short of the ILS hold line. The crew was instructed to taxi back to the proper spot to hold.

Attributes
ACN	635283
Time
Date	200410
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sdf.airport
State Reference	KY
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Challenger CL600
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 800
ASRS Report	635283
Person 2
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

We departed FBO at sdf en route to runway 17L. Ground instructed us to hold short of the ILS clearway, which is only a very short distance after the turn onto taxiway east from the FBO. We crossed the hold line while still accomplishing the taxi checks. As I approached the runway, I realized we were already past the ILS hold, and stopped around 50 yards past the ILS hold. As we were stopping, ground called us and also instructed us to stop. We then taxied back to the proper spot. Ground told us we should've stopped at the flashing lights. There are no flashing lights on 'east' for the ILS hold line. While the hold line is clearly visible, it's faded significantly. The red 'ILS' sign is posted next to the hold lines. We were rushed by the short taxi and distracted from looking outside as we crossed the hold by our pre takeoff checks. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated both pilots were heads down and missed the ILS sign and ILS hold lines. He said the tower advised we had missed the flashing lights, but after a discussion with the tower on the radio it was determined flashing lights did not exist on that end of the airport. He said they turned around and found a red ILS sign next to faded lines on the pavement.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ON TAXI OUT FROM FBO AT SDF, CL60 CREW FAILED TO HOLD SHORT OF THE ILS HOLD LINE. THE CREW WAS INSTRUCTED TO TAXI BACK TO THE PROPER SPOT TO HOLD.

Narrative: WE DEPARTED FBO AT SDF ENRTE TO RWY 17L. GND INSTRUCTED US TO HOLD SHORT OF THE ILS CLEARWAY, WHICH IS ONLY A VERY SHORT DISTANCE AFTER THE TURN ONTO TXWY E FROM THE FBO. WE CROSSED THE HOLD LINE WHILE STILL ACCOMPLISHING THE TAXI CHECKS. AS I APPROACHED THE RWY, I REALIZED WE WERE ALREADY PAST THE ILS HOLD, AND STOPPED AROUND 50 YARDS PAST THE ILS HOLD. AS WE WERE STOPPING, GND CALLED US AND ALSO INSTRUCTED US TO STOP. WE THEN TAXIED BACK TO THE PROPER SPOT. GND TOLD US WE SHOULD'VE STOPPED AT THE FLASHING LIGHTS. THERE ARE NO FLASHING LIGHTS ON 'E' FOR THE ILS HOLD LINE. WHILE THE HOLD LINE IS CLEARLY VISIBLE, IT'S FADED SIGNIFICANTLY. THE RED 'ILS' SIGN IS POSTED NEXT TO THE HOLD LINES. WE WERE RUSHED BY THE SHORT TAXI AND DISTRACTED FROM LOOKING OUTSIDE AS WE CROSSED THE HOLD BY OUR PRE TKOF CHECKS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED BOTH PLTS WERE HEADS DOWN AND MISSED THE ILS SIGN AND ILS HOLD LINES. HE SAID THE TWR ADVISED WE HAD MISSED THE FLASHING LIGHTS, BUT AFTER A DISCUSSION WITH THE TWR ON THE RADIO IT WAS DETERMINED FLASHING LIGHTS DID NOT EXIST ON THAT END OF THE ARPT. HE SAID THEY TURNED AROUND AND FOUND A RED ILS SIGN NEXT TO FADED LINES ON THE PAVEMENT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.