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2 PA28's and a BE55 from the same flight school departed an airport VFR for xcountries to the same destination and inadvertently entered IMC prior to getting their IFR clrncs.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 634535 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200410 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
| State Reference | US |
| Altitude | agl single value : 1500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : zzz.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : zzz.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 140 flight time type : 65 |
| ASRS Report | 634535 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 370 flight time type : 100 |
| ASRS Report | 634860 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : vfr in imc non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Filed an IFR flight plan from ZZZ to ZZZ1. Proceeded to take off from the runway, being the first aircraft in a flight of 3 consisting of another PA28A and a baron 58 all with the same destination. Cfii first tried to establish communication with center which failed then tried FSS and finally approach. Unable to establish communications with center and FSS, he was able to reach approach and asked for our clearance. However, by this time the WX had deteriorated and we were no longer able to maintain VFR. I considered making a 180 degree turn out of the clouds but I did not know where the 2 aircraft that had taken off behind us were and I did not want to risk a midair collision. Also, the cfii who was with me in the airplane and handling the radio calls did not seem concerned. The cfii then contacted approach asking for our clearance. Approach then instructed us to maintain VFR. We replied that we were unable to do so. Approach then asked if we had entered IFR conditions without an IFR clearance. We replied that we had. We then received our clearance. Then the controller asked if there was a CFI on board to which the CFI said 'yes.' the controller then told him to contact the tower after we landed. We then continued on our route without further trouble.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: 2 PA28'S AND A BE55 FROM THE SAME FLT SCHOOL DEPARTED AN ARPT VFR FOR XCOUNTRIES TO THE SAME DEST AND INADVERTENTLY ENTERED IMC PRIOR TO GETTING THEIR IFR CLRNCS.
Narrative: FILED AN IFR FLT PLAN FROM ZZZ TO ZZZ1. PROCEEDED TO TAKE OFF FROM THE RWY, BEING THE FIRST ACFT IN A FLT OF 3 CONSISTING OF ANOTHER PA28A AND A BARON 58 ALL WITH THE SAME DEST. CFII FIRST TRIED TO ESTABLISH COM WITH CTR WHICH FAILED THEN TRIED FSS AND FINALLY APCH. UNABLE TO ESTABLISH COMS WITH CTR AND FSS, HE WAS ABLE TO REACH APCH AND ASKED FOR OUR CLRNC. HOWEVER, BY THIS TIME THE WX HAD DETERIORATED AND WE WERE NO LONGER ABLE TO MAINTAIN VFR. I CONSIDERED MAKING A 180 DEG TURN OUT OF THE CLOUDS BUT I DID NOT KNOW WHERE THE 2 ACFT THAT HAD TAKEN OFF BEHIND US WERE AND I DID NOT WANT TO RISK A MIDAIR COLLISION. ALSO, THE CFII WHO WAS WITH ME IN THE AIRPLANE AND HANDLING THE RADIO CALLS DID NOT SEEM CONCERNED. THE CFII THEN CONTACTED APCH ASKING FOR OUR CLRNC. APCH THEN INSTRUCTED US TO MAINTAIN VFR. WE REPLIED THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO DO SO. APCH THEN ASKED IF WE HAD ENTERED IFR CONDITIONS WITHOUT AN IFR CLRNC. WE REPLIED THAT WE HAD. WE THEN RECEIVED OUR CLRNC. THEN THE CTLR ASKED IF THERE WAS A CFI ON BOARD TO WHICH THE CFI SAID 'YES.' THE CTLR THEN TOLD HIM TO CONTACT THE TWR AFTER WE LANDED. WE THEN CONTINUED ON OUR RTE WITHOUT FURTHER TROUBLE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.