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A B757 captain in position on runway 25R at lax is upset when the local controller puts a second aircraft in position at an intersection on the same runway.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 627331 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200408 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : las.airport |
| State Reference | NV |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : las.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 627331 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were cleared on to runway 25R to hold for takeoff and advised that another aircraft would cross downfield. Traffic crossed downfield and then an air carrier Y was cleared to line up and hold on runway 25R at intersection C3, we were holding at the end of the runway. I think this not only is a bad idea it is, in my opinion, unsafe to put 2 aircraft, on the same runway at the same time especially since it does not save anything. In fact I think it would be safer if we stopped the 'on to hold period' and just cleared aircraft, to take off from the #1 position and did all rolling takeoffs, period.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757 CAPT IN POS ON RWY 25R AT LAX IS UPSET WHEN THE LCL CTLR PUTS A SECOND ACFT IN POS AT AN INTXN ON THE SAME RWY.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED ON TO RWY 25R TO HOLD FOR TKOF AND ADVISED THAT ANOTHER ACFT WOULD CROSS DOWNFIELD. TFC CROSSED DOWNFIELD AND THEN AN ACR Y WAS CLRED TO LINE UP AND HOLD ON RWY 25R AT INTXN C3, WE WERE HOLDING AT THE END OF THE RWY. I THINK THIS NOT ONLY IS A BAD IDEA IT IS, IN MY OPINION, UNSAFE TO PUT 2 ACFT, ON THE SAME RWY AT THE SAME TIME ESPECIALLY SINCE IT DOES NOT SAVE ANYTHING. IN FACT I THINK IT WOULD BE SAFER IF WE STOPPED THE 'ON TO HOLD PERIOD' AND JUST CLRED ACFT, TO TAKE OFF FROM THE #1 POS AND DID ALL ROLLING TKOFS, PERIOD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.