Runway incursion as a taxiing C560 flight crew crosses the hold short line of active runway 8-26 after failing to validate their taxi clearance to runway 27R at phl.

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Attributes
ACN	618466
Time
Date	200405
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : phl.airport
State Reference	PA
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : phl.tower tower : isp.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Citation Excel
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : phl.tower
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Flight Phase	descent : approach landing : roll
Person 1
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3900 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	618466
Person 2
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 1750 vertical : 0
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Request for taxi by PNF (captain PIC) resulted in clearance to runway 27R phl. Ground was asked by PNF if runway 35 was available. After considerable discussion, runway 35 was not available. Clearance to runway 27R obtained. At hold short line runway 26, PF requested confirmation of clearance to cross. PNF stated 'cleared to cross.' as PF crossed hold short line, observed aircraft on short final runway 8. Aircraft stopped short of runway 8/26, but past hold short line. PF asked PNF to contact ground regarding clearance. Prior to PNF calling ground, ground asked if we were holding short. PNF advised, 'yes, but slightly past hold short line.' landing aircraft on runway 8 stopped and exited at least 1500-2000 ft away from reporter's aircraft. Contributing factors: confusion regarding initial runway assignment due to PNF request for runway not in use, taxi/pretkof checklist duties, PF reluctance to insist PNF confirm taxi clearance (since he was captain PIC). Postflt discussion confirmed we should have confirmed clearance with ground controller, since we were not in agreement.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: RWY INCURSION AS A TAXIING C560 FLT CREW CROSSES THE HOLD SHORT LINE OF ACTIVE RWY 8-26 AFTER FAILING TO VALIDATE THEIR TAXI CLRNC TO RWY 27R AT PHL.

Narrative: REQUEST FOR TAXI BY PNF (CAPT PIC) RESULTED IN CLRNC TO RWY 27R PHL. GND WAS ASKED BY PNF IF RWY 35 WAS AVAILABLE. AFTER CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION, RWY 35 WAS NOT AVAILABLE. CLRNC TO RWY 27R OBTAINED. AT HOLD SHORT LINE RWY 26, PF REQUESTED CONFIRMATION OF CLRNC TO CROSS. PNF STATED 'CLRED TO CROSS.' AS PF CROSSED HOLD SHORT LINE, OBSERVED ACFT ON SHORT FINAL RWY 8. ACFT STOPPED SHORT OF RWY 8/26, BUT PAST HOLD SHORT LINE. PF ASKED PNF TO CONTACT GND REGARDING CLRNC. PRIOR TO PNF CALLING GND, GND ASKED IF WE WERE HOLDING SHORT. PNF ADVISED, 'YES, BUT SLIGHTLY PAST HOLD SHORT LINE.' LNDG ACFT ON RWY 8 STOPPED AND EXITED AT LEAST 1500-2000 FT AWAY FROM RPTR'S ACFT. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: CONFUSION REGARDING INITIAL RWY ASSIGNMENT DUE TO PNF REQUEST FOR RWY NOT IN USE, TAXI/PRETKOF CHKLIST DUTIES, PF RELUCTANCE TO INSIST PNF CONFIRM TAXI CLRNC (SINCE HE WAS CAPT PIC). POSTFLT DISCUSSION CONFIRMED WE SHOULD HAVE CONFIRMED CLRNC WITH GND CTLR, SINCE WE WERE NOT IN AGREEMENT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.