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An EMB135 first officer reported that the captain and PF made a heading and altitude deviation while flying the teb SID.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 615577 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200404 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1850 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : teb.tower tower : hgr.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 135 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure sid : teb 5 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 5800 flight time type : 250 |
| ASRS Report | 615577 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : company policies other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to assigned altitude flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departing teb, we were issued a SID to fly runway heading to 1500 ft then right turn heading 280 degrees, until 4.5 DME, then climb to 2000 ft. We briefed the departure and it was my understanding that the flying pilot who is type-rated in the aircraft and has over 100 hours in type, knew the SID. After takeoff, the flying pilot initiated his right turn at approximately 500 ft AGL. I then stated, 'runway heading, 1500 ft, runway heading, 1500 ft.' a turn to the left was made to compensate for the early turn. He asked me to read him the SID. At this time, I noticed we were rapidly approaching 1500 ft and I stated, 'level off, 1500 ft.' the pilot flying again asked me to read the SID as we blew through 1500 ft. I said, 'level off, 1500 ft, turn right 280 degrees.' I then bugged his heading for 280 degrees. We were at approximately 1850 ft in the turn for 280 degrees when the controller made his call inquiring about our altitude and heading. I felt I did all I could to avoid this situation. I insisted on a thorough brief. I used CRM training and stated his name and what we were to be doing. I was ignored and that is what got us into this position. To prevent this situation in the future, I would suggest the flying type-rated pilot be aware how imperative it is to fully understand the first 3 to 4 steps in the SID. Also, he needs to be aware he is in a crew situation and that just because he is the boss, his word and opinion are not always correct.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN EMB135 FO RPTED THAT THE CAPT AND PF MADE A HDG AND ALT DEV WHILE FLYING THE TEB SID.
Narrative: DEPARTING TEB, WE WERE ISSUED A SID TO FLY RWY HDG TO 1500 FT THEN R TURN HDG 280 DEGS, UNTIL 4.5 DME, THEN CLIMB TO 2000 FT. WE BRIEFED THE DEP AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FLYING PLT WHO IS TYPE-RATED IN THE ACFT AND HAS OVER 100 HRS IN TYPE, KNEW THE SID. AFTER TKOF, THE FLYING PLT INITIATED HIS R TURN AT APPROX 500 FT AGL. I THEN STATED, 'RWY HDG, 1500 FT, RWY HDG, 1500 FT.' A TURN TO THE L WAS MADE TO COMPENSATE FOR THE EARLY TURN. HE ASKED ME TO READ HIM THE SID. AT THIS TIME, I NOTICED WE WERE RAPIDLY APPROACHING 1500 FT AND I STATED, 'LEVEL OFF, 1500 FT.' THE PLT FLYING AGAIN ASKED ME TO READ THE SID AS WE BLEW THROUGH 1500 FT. I SAID, 'LEVEL OFF, 1500 FT, TURN R 280 DEGS.' I THEN BUGGED HIS HEADING FOR 280 DEGS. WE WERE AT APPROX 1850 FT IN THE TURN FOR 280 DEGS WHEN THE CTLR MADE HIS CALL INQUIRING ABOUT OUR ALT AND HDG. I FELT I DID ALL I COULD TO AVOID THIS SIT. I INSISTED ON A THOROUGH BRIEF. I USED CRM TRAINING AND STATED HIS NAME AND WHAT WE WERE TO BE DOING. I WAS IGNORED AND THAT IS WHAT GOT US INTO THIS POSITION. TO PREVENT THIS SIT IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD SUGGEST THE FLYING TYPE-RATED PLT BE AWARE HOW IMPERATIVE IT IS TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE FIRST 3 TO 4 STEPS IN THE SID. ALSO, HE NEEDS TO BE AWARE HE IS IN A CREW SIT AND THAT JUST BECAUSE HE IS THE BOSS, HIS WORD AND OPINION ARE NOT ALWAYS CORRECT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.