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|Local Time Of Day||1801 To 2400|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : d10.tracon|
|Altitude||msl single value : 2500|
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : d10.tracon|
|Operator||general aviation : instructional|
|Make Model Name||Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 91|
|Flight Phase||descent : intermediate altitude|
|Function||instruction : instructor|
|Qualification||pilot : cfi|
pilot : atp
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 25|
flight time total : 5000
flight time type : 200
|Function||instruction : trainee|
|Anomaly||airspace violation : entry|
non adherence : far
non adherence : published procedure
|Independent Detector||atc equipment other atc equipment : radar/mode c|
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other flight crewb
|Resolutory Action||none taken : detected after the fact|
|Consequence||faa : reviewed incident with flight crew|
|Problem Areas||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
Prior to takeoff, I called FSS and asked about tfr's. FSS said texas christian university (tcu) area from surface to 3000 ft AGL was active (3 NM). After takeoff to north, I stayed in pattern and did a low approach. I departed to southwest and called regional approach. I used call sign 'cessna XXXX.' regional approach asked type of aircraft. After center did not respond (5 mins), I called back and used correct call sign 'cessna YYYY.' I was given a transponder code. I was about 7 mi east of downtown ft worth and flew over ft worth. I proceeded south and thought I was 3 mi east of tcu. I canceled flight following but used the wrong call sign. After landing at 9f9 regional approach called via phone and asked if I knew I went into the tcu area. I asked if they had tcu's coordinates. They did not, nor did ft worth FSS. Pilots cannot avoid areas not plotted on charts. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated he was conducting flight instruction when the incursion into the restr area occurred. Reporter said he was very familiar with the area and believes he may have entered the area just briefly when returning to land at 9f9.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR PLT AND STUDENT PENETRATE A TFR AREA NEAR FORT WORTH, TX, RESULTING IN AN ADMONISHMENT BY ATC.
Narrative: PRIOR TO TKOF, I CALLED FSS AND ASKED ABOUT TFR'S. FSS SAID TEXAS CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY (TCU) AREA FROM SURFACE TO 3000 FT AGL WAS ACTIVE (3 NM). AFTER TKOF TO N, I STAYED IN PATTERN AND DID A LOW APCH. I DEPARTED TO SW AND CALLED REGIONAL APCH. I USED CALL SIGN 'CESSNA XXXX.' REGIONAL APCH ASKED TYPE OF ACFT. AFTER CTR DID NOT RESPOND (5 MINS), I CALLED BACK AND USED CORRECT CALL SIGN 'CESSNA YYYY.' I WAS GIVEN A XPONDER CODE. I WAS ABOUT 7 MI E OF DOWNTOWN FT WORTH AND FLEW OVER FT WORTH. I PROCEEDED S AND THOUGHT I WAS 3 MI E OF TCU. I CANCELED FLT FOLLOWING BUT USED THE WRONG CALL SIGN. AFTER LNDG AT 9F9 REGIONAL APCH CALLED VIA PHONE AND ASKED IF I KNEW I WENT INTO THE TCU AREA. I ASKED IF THEY HAD TCU'S COORDINATES. THEY DID NOT, NOR DID FT WORTH FSS. PLTS CANNOT AVOID AREAS NOT PLOTTED ON CHARTS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED HE WAS CONDUCTING FLT INSTRUCTION WHEN THE INCURSION INTO THE RESTR AREA OCCURRED. RPTR SAID HE WAS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA AND BELIEVES HE MAY HAVE ENTERED THE AREA JUST BRIEFLY WHEN RETURNING TO LAND AT 9F9.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.