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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||navaid : ave.vortac|
|Altitude||msl single value : 31000|
|Controlling Facilities||artcc : zla.artcc|
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||B737-300|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 121|
|Flight Phase||cruise : level|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : commercial|
pilot : instrument
pilot : multi engine
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 240|
flight time total : 7500
flight time type : 2500
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Anomaly||non adherence : published procedure|
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : anomaly accepted|
|Consequence||faa : reviewed incident with flight crew|
Flight Crew Human Performance
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
We left the gate 10 mins late and the FMC still showed an early arrival in sjc. We were going to underfly the leg by 10 mins or more, so we thought we would take the opportunity to save some fuel and pulled the power back to cruise at .70 mach per the fom. Transitioned through ZAB airspace with no comments. We were on about our third ZLA frequency and the controller asked our speed. I replied .70 mach. He then asked if we had a speed assignment. I said we did not and that we were going to be on time in sjc and were trying to save the company fuel. He then asked if we had told anyone that we would be cruising at mach .70. I said no. He told us to descend to FL280. I relied that we were able to give him any speed he needed. He said, 'we'll just work around you, but we'll be in touch.' this was a surprise to the captain and myself because we both thought the notification to ATC about speed changes was more than +/-5%. We had been using FMC economy speed as the benchmark instead of TAS from the flight plan. We also had both forgotten about the additional requirement of +/-5% or 10 KTS. We arrived in sjc right on time, which meant we did in fact underfly the leg by 10 mins and underburned by about 400 pounds. This incident has made me realize that ATC can not read our minds. If we are trying to save time, fuel, and thus money for the company, we should simple inform ATC of what we are doing. As PNF, I should have been more vigilant with my required radio calls and put ATC in the loop. We would still have achieved our goal and not caused a problem for ATC.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-300 FLT CREW FAILS TO ADVISE ATC OF REDUCED CRUISE SPD.
Narrative: WE LEFT THE GATE 10 MINS LATE AND THE FMC STILL SHOWED AN EARLY ARR IN SJC. WE WERE GOING TO UNDERFLY THE LEG BY 10 MINS OR MORE, SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE SOME FUEL AND PULLED THE PWR BACK TO CRUISE AT .70 MACH PER THE FOM. TRANSITIONED THROUGH ZAB AIRSPACE WITH NO COMMENTS. WE WERE ON ABOUT OUR THIRD ZLA FREQ AND THE CTLR ASKED OUR SPD. I REPLIED .70 MACH. HE THEN ASKED IF WE HAD A SPD ASSIGNMENT. I SAID WE DID NOT AND THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ON TIME IN SJC AND WERE TRYING TO SAVE THE COMPANY FUEL. HE THEN ASKED IF WE HAD TOLD ANYONE THAT WE WOULD BE CRUISING AT MACH .70. I SAID NO. HE TOLD US TO DSND TO FL280. I RELIED THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE HIM ANY SPD HE NEEDED. HE SAID, 'WE'LL JUST WORK AROUND YOU, BUT WE'LL BE IN TOUCH.' THIS WAS A SURPRISE TO THE CAPT AND MYSELF BECAUSE WE BOTH THOUGHT THE NOTIFICATION TO ATC ABOUT SPD CHANGES WAS MORE THAN +/-5%. WE HAD BEEN USING FMC ECONOMY SPD AS THE BENCHMARK INSTEAD OF TAS FROM THE FLT PLAN. WE ALSO HAD BOTH FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT OF +/-5% OR 10 KTS. WE ARRIVED IN SJC RIGHT ON TIME, WHICH MEANT WE DID IN FACT UNDERFLY THE LEG BY 10 MINS AND UNDERBURNED BY ABOUT 400 LBS. THIS INCIDENT HAS MADE ME REALIZE THAT ATC CAN NOT READ OUR MINDS. IF WE ARE TRYING TO SAVE TIME, FUEL, AND THUS MONEY FOR THE COMPANY, WE SHOULD SIMPLE INFORM ATC OF WHAT WE ARE DOING. AS PNF, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE VIGILANT WITH MY REQUIRED RADIO CALLS AND PUT ATC IN THE LOOP. WE WOULD STILL HAVE ACHIEVED OUR GOAL AND NOT CAUSED A PROB FOR ATC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.