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|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : cgx.airport|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 2500|
msl bound upper : 3500
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : c90.tracon|
|Operator||general aviation : personal|
|Make Model Name||PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 91|
|Flight Phase||cruise : level|
|Function||flight crew : single pilot|
|Qualification||pilot : instrument|
pilot : private
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 30|
flight time total : 240
flight time type : 30
|Affiliation||government : faa|
|Anomaly||airspace violation : entry|
non adherence : published procedure
non adherence : far
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : detected after the fact|
|Problem Areas||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
Possible violation of class B airspace in area of meigs and class D airspace. Reason: VFR terminal map does not list CTAF for airports and uses terminology and identify points for persons from the chicago area, but not for someone not from the area. Altitude change point is based on being able to identify a water treatment plant. How does one tell a water treatment plant from light industrial? Sewage plant may be more obvious. This resulted in a late climb to 3200-3500 ft to avoid class D airspace. Also, no NOTAM that tower at meigs was closed (as well as ATIS). Unable to contact them and may have entered class B while trying to avoid class D. AFSS (cleveland) did not give any NOTAM for meigs, nor did the FSS contact from vpz. It is assumed that one will have all the frequencys written down when using the terminal chart. Then one is assuming that a pilot won't drop their sectional and clipboard with notes (which I did). I fly around class B, class C, and class D areas all the time and don't violate them because I pay close attention to the charts and frequencys. The chicago VFR chart doesn't give enough information for being a high traffic area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA28-180 SINGLE PLT MISIDENTED A GND REF POINT WHILE FLYING IN C90'S AIRSPACE AND ALSO WAS UNAWARE THAT MEIGS FIELD WAS CLOSED.
Narrative: POSSIBLE VIOLATION OF CLASS B AIRSPACE IN AREA OF MEIGS AND CLASS D AIRSPACE. REASON: VFR TERMINAL MAP DOES NOT LIST CTAF FOR ARPTS AND USES TERMINOLOGY AND IDENT POINTS FOR PERSONS FROM THE CHICAGO AREA, BUT NOT FOR SOMEONE NOT FROM THE AREA. ALT CHANGE POINT IS BASED ON BEING ABLE TO IDENT A WATER TREATMENT PLANT. HOW DOES ONE TELL A WATER TREATMENT PLANT FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL? SEWAGE PLANT MAY BE MORE OBVIOUS. THIS RESULTED IN A LATE CLB TO 3200-3500 FT TO AVOID CLASS D AIRSPACE. ALSO, NO NOTAM THAT TWR AT MEIGS WAS CLOSED (AS WELL AS ATIS). UNABLE TO CONTACT THEM AND MAY HAVE ENTERED CLASS B WHILE TRYING TO AVOID CLASS D. AFSS (CLEVELAND) DID NOT GIVE ANY NOTAM FOR MEIGS, NOR DID THE FSS CONTACT FROM VPZ. IT IS ASSUMED THAT ONE WILL HAVE ALL THE FREQS WRITTEN DOWN WHEN USING THE TERMINAL CHART. THEN ONE IS ASSUMING THAT A PLT WON'T DROP THEIR SECTIONAL AND CLIPBOARD WITH NOTES (WHICH I DID). I FLY AROUND CLASS B, CLASS C, AND CLASS D AREAS ALL THE TIME AND DON'T VIOLATE THEM BECAUSE I PAY CLOSE ATTN TO THE CHARTS AND FREQS. THE CHICAGO VFR CHART DOESN'T GIVE ENOUGH INFO FOR BEING A HIGH TFC AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.