<< >> NASA ASRS Report 587192, July 2003

A DC9 flight crew is cleared to the gate, but notice a conflict with departing traffic. They stop the aircraft just at the hold short line.

Attributes
ACN	587192
Time
Date	200307
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : msp.airport
State Reference	MN
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	Marginal
Weather Elements	Rain Thunderstorm
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : msp.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B747-400
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : takeoff roll
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 2000
ASRS Report	587192
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground critical non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Miss Distance	horizontal : 4000 vertical : 0
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Error

Narrative:

After landing in msp, our gate was occupied. We were held in the runway 12L deice pad. When the gate opened, I called ground. She cleared us to the gate, 'but give way to exiting aircraft.' I read back, 'taxi to gate via taxiway P, give way to exiting aircraft.' we proceeded east on taxiway P. There was light rain in the area and dozens of aircraft on the ramp. Prior to crossing runway 4, I looked right and saw a B747-400 4000 ft down the runway accelerating toward our intersection. I told the captain to stop! Our nosewheel was on the hold short line as we watched the aircraft complete the takeoff roll and go airborne. Just as the aircraft passed, ground told us to stop. I replied, 'we did,' and she said 'you gave me a heart attack.' there were thunderstorms in the area, many rertes, and dozens of planes on the ramp. I believe ground control became saturated and lost control of our plane. I never heard a hold short restr nor did I repeat one back to ground.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A DC9 FLT CREW IS CLRED TO THE GATE, BUT NOTICE A CONFLICT WITH DEPARTING TFC. THEY STOP THE ACFT JUST AT THE HOLD SHORT LINE.

Narrative: AFTER LNDG IN MSP, OUR GATE WAS OCCUPIED. WE WERE HELD IN THE RWY 12L DEICE PAD. WHEN THE GATE OPENED, I CALLED GND. SHE CLRED US TO THE GATE, 'BUT GIVE WAY TO EXITING ACFT.' I READ BACK, 'TAXI TO GATE VIA TXWY P, GIVE WAY TO EXITING ACFT.' WE PROCEEDED E ON TXWY P. THERE WAS LIGHT RAIN IN THE AREA AND DOZENS OF ACFT ON THE RAMP. PRIOR TO XING RWY 4, I LOOKED R AND SAW A B747-400 4000 FT DOWN THE RWY ACCELERATING TOWARD OUR INTXN. I TOLD THE CAPT TO STOP! OUR NOSEWHEEL WAS ON THE HOLD SHORT LINE AS WE WATCHED THE ACFT COMPLETE THE TKOF ROLL AND GO AIRBORNE. JUST AS THE ACFT PASSED, GND TOLD US TO STOP. I REPLIED, 'WE DID,' AND SHE SAID 'YOU GAVE ME A HEART ATTACK.' THERE WERE TSTMS IN THE AREA, MANY RERTES, AND DOZENS OF PLANES ON THE RAMP. I BELIEVE GND CTL BECAME SATURATED AND LOST CTL OF OUR PLANE. I NEVER HEARD A HOLD SHORT RESTR NOR DID I REPEAT ONE BACK TO GND.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.