After rtn landing from training flight, student and cfii challenge N90 notification of ny ADIZ penet...

Attributes
ACN	577455
Time
Date	200303
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : huo.vor
State Reference	NY
Altitude	msl single value : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Weather Elements	Turbulence
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : cdw.tower
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	cruise : level
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : private pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 11 flight time total : 450 flight time type : 350
ASRS Report	577455
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Events
Anomaly	airspace violation : entry other anomaly other
Independent Detector	atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory other
Consequence	faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Inter Facility Coordination Failure
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : n90.tracon
Airspace Structure	special use : nyadiz.othersua

Narrative:

I flew with a flight instructor from cdw to mgj to practice instrument approachs at mgj. I called millville FSS that morning to file my ADIZ flight plans for out of and into the ny ADIZ. At approximately XA00 local, I called cdw ground for my clearance to taxi and transponder code. I was given my clearance and a transponder code. We departed shortly thereafter. Due to frequency congestion with ny approach, cdw tower had us stay with them until clear of the ADIZ. I was under the hood, and my cfii was watching for traffic. At some point in time, the cfii said that we were clear of the ny ADIZ, and that I should call cdw tower and tell them that we would like to squawk 1200, which I did . Cdw tower acknowledged, and gave us permission to squawk 1200 and change frequencies. At around XB30 local, I called ny approach on 132.75 to get my clearance to re-enter the ny ADIZ. They gave me a transponder code and said to fly direct to cdw. Upon landing, I called millville FSS to inform them I was on the ground. Millville requested I call them because they said ATC was running out of transponder codes. After I landed, I found out that at around XA15 local, ny TRACON left a message on my home answering machine for me to call them. I called around XD00 the ny TRACON supervisor told me that they tracked me flying in the ny ADIZ and that I may not have had the proper clearance. I told him that I disagreed, and provided him my transponder codes and times I called FSS. He said that as long as what I provided him was accurate, this would not be pursued any further. The situation still bothered me, so I called ny TRACON again at around XD40. After I gave the person my tail number, he reiterated the information that I provided earlier. He said that there would be no violation against me. I tried to ascertain from him more details on why they thought I was in violation, did I squawk 1200 to soon, was my transponder malfunctioning, was their a mix-up between tower and ny approach, but he kept on responding that I did have the proper clearance. In the future, I will confirm with ATC that I am clear of the ADIZ prior to squawking 1200.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AFTER RTN LNDG FROM TRAINING FLT, STUDENT AND CFII CHALLENGE N90 NOTIFICATION OF NY ADIZ PENETRATION. THOUGH WITHDRAWN, STUDENT REQUESTS, BUT DOES NOT RECEIVE, PROCEDURAL JUSTIFICATION.

Narrative: I FLEW WITH A FLT INSTRUCTOR FROM CDW TO MGJ TO PRACTICE INSTRUMENT APCHS AT MGJ. I CALLED MILLVILLE FSS THAT MORNING TO FILE MY ADIZ FLT PLANS FOR OUT OF AND INTO THE NY ADIZ. AT APPROX XA00 LCL, I CALLED CDW GND FOR MY CLRNC TO TAXI AND XPONDER CODE. I WAS GIVEN MY CLRNC AND A XPONDER CODE. WE DEPARTED SHORTLY THEREAFTER. DUE TO FREQUENCY CONGESTION WITH NY APCH, CDW TWR HAD US STAY WITH THEM UNTIL CLR OF THE ADIZ. I WAS UNDER THE HOOD, AND MY CFII WAS WATCHING FOR TFC. AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE CFII SAID THAT WE WERE CLR OF THE NY ADIZ, AND THAT I SHOULD CALL CDW TWR AND TELL THEM THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SQUAWK 1200, WHICH I DID . CDW TWR ACKNOWLEDGED, AND GAVE US PERMISSION TO SQUAWK 1200 AND CHANGE FREQUENCIES. AT AROUND XB30 LCL, I CALLED NY APCH ON 132.75 TO GET MY CLRNC TO RE-ENTER THE NY ADIZ. THEY GAVE ME A XPONDER CODE AND SAID TO FLY DIRECT TO CDW. UPON LNDG, I CALLED MILLVILLE FSS TO INFORM THEM I WAS ON THE GND. MILLVILLE REQUESTED I CALL THEM BECAUSE THEY SAID ATC WAS RUNNING OUT OF XPONDER CODES. AFTER I LANDED, I FOUND OUT THAT AT AROUND XA15 LCL, NY TRACON LEFT A MESSAGE ON MY HOME ANSWERING MACHINE FOR ME TO CALL THEM. I CALLED AROUND XD00 THE NY TRACON SUPVR TOLD ME THAT THEY TRACKED ME FLYING IN THE NY ADIZ AND THAT I MAY NOT HAVE HAD THE PROPER CLRNC. I TOLD HIM THAT I DISAGREED, AND PROVIDED HIM MY XPONDER CODES AND TIMES I CALLED FSS. HE SAID THAT AS LONG AS WHAT I PROVIDED HIM WAS ACCURATE, THIS WOULD NOT BE PURSUED ANY FURTHER. THE SIT STILL BOTHERED ME, SO I CALLED NY TRACON AGAIN AT AROUND XD40. AFTER I GAVE THE PERSON MY TAIL NUMBER, HE REITERATED THE INFO THAT I PROVIDED EARLIER. HE SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE NO VIOLATION AGAINST ME. I TRIED TO ASCERTAIN FROM HIM MORE DETAILS ON WHY THEY THOUGHT I WAS IN VIOLATION, DID I SQUAWK 1200 TO SOON, WAS MY XPONDER MALFUNCTIONING, WAS THEIR A MIX-UP BETWEEN TWR AND NY APCH, BUT HE KEPT ON RESPONDING THAT I DID HAVE THE PROPER CLRNC. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL CONFIRM WITH ATC THAT I AM CLR OF THE ADIZ PRIOR TO SQUAWKING 1200.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

After rtn landing from training flight, student and cfii challenge N90 notification of ny ADIZ penetration. Though withdrawn, student requests, but does not receive, procedural justification.