Small aircraft instructor and student pilot advised after training flight from 39N to N87 that they had violated the ny ADIZ. 39N is located 1 mile inside the ny ADIZ.

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Attributes
ACN	577397
Time
Date	200303
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ttn.airport
State Reference	NJ
Altitude	agl single value : 1300
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90.tracon
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	cruise : level
Route In Use	approach : traffic pattern
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 20
ASRS Report	577397
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other controllera other other : 3
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance Airport
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

In the morning, I wanted to take the student on a short flight to another uncontrolled airport, so I chose one, 11 miles away. It had a standard pattern versus the non-standard pattern at our home field. We departed, flew over at 1300 ft AGL, did one full stop landing, departed and returned. The student was behind the aircraft. Next afternoon, we did the same thing, hoping the student will build upon his experience. So we did the same round robin flight the same way. The difference, besides the student doing much better, was being greeted upon landing with the request to call us customs. We violated the ny tfr defined by the 30 mile mode C veil. Customs told me to call ny TRACON. Our airport is about 4 miles outside the mode C veil. The other airport is one NM inside the veil. It was a beautiful VFR day. I never checked with FSS. When a group of us pilot spoke about effect of the tfr, this airport was never mentioned or considered. Never assume, always verify and call FSS prior to every flight.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: SMA INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT PLT ADVISED AFTER TRAINING FLT FROM 39N TO N87 THAT THEY HAD VIOLATED THE NY ADIZ. 39N IS LOCATED 1 MILE INSIDE THE NY ADIZ.

Narrative: IN THE MORNING, I WANTED TO TAKE THE STUDENT ON A SHORT FLT TO ANOTHER UNCTLED ARPT, SO I CHOSE ONE, 11 MILES AWAY. IT HAD A STANDARD PATTERN VERSUS THE NON-STANDARD PATTERN AT OUR HOME FIELD. WE DEPARTED, FLEW OVER AT 1300 FT AGL, DID ONE FULL STOP LNDG, DEPARTED AND RETURNED. THE STUDENT WAS BEHIND THE ACFT. NEXT AFTERNOON, WE DID THE SAME THING, HOPING THE STUDENT WILL BUILD UPON HIS EXPERIENCE. SO WE DID THE SAME ROUND ROBIN FLT THE SAME WAY. THE DIFFERENCE, BESIDES THE STUDENT DOING MUCH BETTER, WAS BEING GREETED UPON LNDG WITH THE REQUEST TO CALL US CUSTOMS. WE VIOLATED THE NY TFR DEFINED BY THE 30 MILE MODE C VEIL. CUSTOMS TOLD ME TO CALL NY TRACON. OUR ARPT IS ABOUT 4 MILES OUTSIDE THE MODE C VEIL. THE OTHER ARPT IS ONE NM INSIDE THE VEIL. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL VFR DAY. I NEVER CHKED WITH FSS. WHEN A GROUP OF US PLT SPOKE ABOUT EFFECT OF THE TFR, THIS ARPT WAS NEVER MENTIONED OR CONSIDERED. NEVER ASSUME, ALWAYS VERIFY AND CALL FSS PRIOR TO EVERY FLT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.