Departing EMB145 penetrates ILS critical area at ind.

Attributes
ACN	572754
Time
Date	200301
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ind.airport
State Reference	IN
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Weather Elements	Snow
Light	Dusk
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : ind.tower tower : psp.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : ind.tower
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 3200 flight time type : 720
ASRS Report	572754
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	ground encounters other non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

We left the gate after boarding, then deiced because it was starting to snow and it was becoming heavier and heavier. After deicing, we were given taxi instructions to runway 23L via left on taxiway M and right turn on taxiway D. These are different instructions to runway 23L. Usually we are given taxiway M, taxiway J, then taxiway P to runway 23L. Anyway, we were told to taxi and nothing was said about holding short of the ILS critical area. I believe we were told we were cleared to cross runway 32. We taxied non stop to runway 23L and held short. Upon switching to tower frequency, he informed us we didn't hold short of the ILS critical area. There was an aircraft on the approach at the time, but they landed and did not require a go around. The WX was bad enough we should have held short of the ILS critical area. We were not told to or advised to by ground control. Once the aircraft cleared the runway, we were cleared for takeoff. Possible reasons for not holding short of the ILS critical area: I was flying with a relatively new first officer. We were taxiing pretty slow due to the snow and ground control made no reference to the critical area. We were given a different route to taxi to runway 23L than normal.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: DEPARTING EMB145 PENETRATES ILS CRITICAL AREA AT IND.

Narrative: WE LEFT THE GATE AFTER BOARDING, THEN DEICED BECAUSE IT WAS STARTING TO SNOW AND IT WAS BECOMING HEAVIER AND HEAVIER. AFTER DEICING, WE WERE GIVEN TAXI INSTRUCTIONS TO RWY 23L VIA L ON TXWY M AND R TURN ON TXWY D. THESE ARE DIFFERENT INSTRUCTIONS TO RWY 23L. USUALLY WE ARE GIVEN TXWY M, TXWY J, THEN TXWY P TO RWY 23L. ANYWAY, WE WERE TOLD TO TAXI AND NOTHING WAS SAID ABOUT HOLDING SHORT OF THE ILS CRITICAL AREA. I BELIEVE WE WERE TOLD WE WERE CLRED TO CROSS RWY 32. WE TAXIED NON STOP TO RWY 23L AND HELD SHORT. UPON SWITCHING TO TWR FREQ, HE INFORMED US WE DIDN'T HOLD SHORT OF THE ILS CRITICAL AREA. THERE WAS AN ACFT ON THE APCH AT THE TIME, BUT THEY LANDED AND DID NOT REQUIRE A GAR. THE WX WAS BAD ENOUGH WE SHOULD HAVE HELD SHORT OF THE ILS CRITICAL AREA. WE WERE NOT TOLD TO OR ADVISED TO BY GND CTL. ONCE THE ACFT CLRED THE RWY, WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF. POSSIBLE REASONS FOR NOT HOLDING SHORT OF THE ILS CRITICAL AREA: I WAS FLYING WITH A RELATIVELY NEW FO. WE WERE TAXIING PRETTY SLOW DUE TO THE SNOW AND GND CTL MADE NO REF TO THE CRITICAL AREA. WE WERE GIVEN A DIFFERENT RTE TO TAXI TO RWY 23L THAN NORMAL.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.