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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 571883 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200301 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : vny.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 4500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : vny.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Chancellor 414A & C414 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure sid : canoga8.gmn |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 571883 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I requested and was issued SID (CANOGA8.gmn) on takeoff. Local controller advised 'start left turn to fly the SID' or similar. I checked in with socal and was issued barometer. No vectors given. After flying 255 degree heading to intercept gmn radial, no further instructions were given, so I started right turn to 'fly the SID'. ATC complained, turned me back. 1) this is a radar SID, so ATC should have issued vectors. 2) I probably should have challenged at crossing, not turned. Confusion, because of local controller 'fly SID,' which I interpreted as like 'own navigation' and lack of vectors from socal.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: VNY C414 DEP MAKES INCORRECT TURN ON DEP PROC.
Narrative: I REQUESTED AND WAS ISSUED SID (CANOGA8.GMN) ON TKOF. LCL CTLR ADVISED 'START L TURN TO FLY THE SID' OR SIMILAR. I CHKED IN WITH SOCAL AND WAS ISSUED BAROMETER. NO VECTORS GIVEN. AFTER FLYING 255 DEG HDG TO INTERCEPT GMN RADIAL, NO FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS WERE GIVEN, SO I STARTED R TURN TO 'FLY THE SID'. ATC COMPLAINED, TURNED ME BACK. 1) THIS IS A RADAR SID, SO ATC SHOULD HAVE ISSUED VECTORS. 2) I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE CHALLENGED AT XING, NOT TURNED. CONFUSION, BECAUSE OF LCL CTLR 'FLY SID,' WHICH I INTERPED AS LIKE 'OWN NAV' AND LACK OF VECTORS FROM SOCAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.