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MD80 captain refused a lahso clearance because it was given too late, the runway was wet, and the ceilings were too low at dfw.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 564212 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200210 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl single value : 1400 |
| Environment | |
| Weather Elements | Rain other |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 564212 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : insufficient time other |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance FAA ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : dfw.tower |
Narrative:
Lahso. Tower gave me lahso instructions for runway 35C at 1400-1500 ft on the altimeter on GS and localizer in IMC. I refused due to many reasons: dfw arrival WX information, wind was 030 degrees at 8 KTS, 10 SM visibility with rain, overcast 1200, altimeter 30.02, etc, and included lahso instructions for runway 35C. I was given clearance close to or below 1000 ft AGL. Need 1500 ft WX minimums. Was IMC until 1100-1200 ft MSL. ATIS reported light rain. Lahso prohibited with wet runway. Assumed wet runway with rain on ATIS. Didn't brief lahso distance to first officer due to rain.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 CAPT REFUSED A LAHSO CLRNC BECAUSE IT WAS GIVEN TOO LATE, THE RWY WAS WET, AND THE CEILINGS WERE TOO LOW AT DFW.
Narrative: LAHSO. TWR GAVE ME LAHSO INSTRUCTIONS FOR RWY 35C AT 1400-1500 FT ON THE ALTIMETER ON GS AND LOC IN IMC. I REFUSED DUE TO MANY REASONS: DFW ARR WX INFO, WIND WAS 030 DEGS AT 8 KTS, 10 SM VISIBILITY WITH RAIN, OVCST 1200, ALTIMETER 30.02, ETC, AND INCLUDED LAHSO INSTRUCTIONS FOR RWY 35C. I WAS GIVEN CLRNC CLOSE TO OR BELOW 1000 FT AGL. NEED 1500 FT WX MINIMUMS. WAS IMC UNTIL 1100-1200 FT MSL. ATIS RPTED LIGHT RAIN. LAHSO PROHIBITED WITH WET RWY. ASSUMED WET RWY WITH RAIN ON ATIS. DIDN'T BRIEF LAHSO DISTANCE TO FO DUE TO RAIN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.