C172 instructor and student and a military KC135 had an near midair collision in sct class east airs...

Attributes
ACN	561645
Time
Date	200210
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ral.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 7500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon tower : dvt.tower
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	cruise : level
Route In Use	enroute airway : v16.airway
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon
Operator	other
Make Model Name	Stratotanker 135
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	climbout : vacating altitude
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	561645
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : student
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : critical conflict : nmac maintenance problem : improper maintenance maintenance problem : non compliance with mel non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action none taken : detected after the fact
Miss Distance	horizontal : 300 vertical : 300
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

We were on a navigation training flight from apple valley to palm springs via pdz VOR. We were at 7500 ft MSL eastbound, approximately 2 NM west of march AFB in straight and level flight. I observed a KC135R in my 10 O'clock position in a climbing right turn, probably in an evasive maneuver. We pushed forward on the yoke but by that time the tanker was well above and behind us. Although we were on the airway at the proper altitude, we were not talking to socal approach due to some radio problems (transmitter). We were squawking 1200 altitude. Had we been communicating with socal, this probably would not have happened.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: C172 INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT AND A MIL KC135 HAD AN NMAC IN SCT CLASS E AIRSPACE.

Narrative: WE WERE ON A NAV TRAINING FLT FROM APPLE VALLEY TO PALM SPRINGS VIA PDZ VOR. WE WERE AT 7500 FT MSL EBOUND, APPROX 2 NM W OF MARCH AFB IN STRAIGHT AND LEVEL FLT. I OBSERVED A KC135R IN MY 10 O'CLOCK POS IN A CLBING R TURN, PROBABLY IN AN EVASIVE MANEUVER. WE PUSHED FORWARD ON THE YOKE BUT BY THAT TIME THE TANKER WAS WELL ABOVE AND BEHIND US. ALTHOUGH WE WERE ON THE AIRWAY AT THE PROPER ALT, WE WERE NOT TALKING TO SOCAL APCH DUE TO SOME RADIO PROBS (XMITTER). WE WERE SQUAWKING 1200 ALT. HAD WE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH SOCAL, THIS PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

C172 instructor and student and a military KC135 had an near midair collision in sct class east airspace.