CFI and student pilot cited by tower controller for failing to report 5 mi final as requested at rdm...

Attributes
ACN	542462
Time
Date	200203
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : rdm.airport
State Reference	OR
Altitude	msl single value : 4500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : rdm.tower
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Navigation In Use	other vortac
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	approach : instrument non precision arrival : vfr
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8800 flight time type : 1800
ASRS Report	542462
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : insufficient time
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure
Primary Problem	Airspace Structure

Narrative:

I was conducting instrument flight training in VFR conditions. We were practicing the VOR/DME runway 22 IAP (instrument approach procedure) to rdm. The tower told us to report a 5 mi final. At the 5 mi point, the radio traffic on tower frequency precluded getting the report in. When the tower called asking our position, my student replied 3 mi. I corrected him saying we were 3-4 mi from the airport. I felt like we made the report as close as possible to 5 mi, considering the radio traffic on the local frequency. When we landed, the tower asked for a phone call regarding possible pilot deviation.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CFI AND STUDENT PLT CITED BY TWR CTLR FOR FAILING TO RPT 5 MI FINAL AS REQUESTED AT RDM, OR.

Narrative: I WAS CONDUCTING INST FLT TRAINING IN VFR CONDITIONS. WE WERE PRACTICING THE VOR/DME RWY 22 IAP (INST APCH PROC) TO RDM. THE TWR TOLD US TO RPT A 5 MI FINAL. AT THE 5 MI POINT, THE RADIO TFC ON TWR FREQ PRECLUDED GETTING THE RPT IN. WHEN THE TWR CALLED ASKING OUR POS, MY STUDENT REPLIED 3 MI. I CORRECTED HIM SAYING WE WERE 3-4 MI FROM THE ARPT. I FELT LIKE WE MADE THE RPT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO 5 MI, CONSIDERING THE RADIO TFC ON THE LCL FREQ. WHEN WE LANDED, THE TWR ASKED FOR A PHONE CALL REGARDING POSSIBLE PLT DEV.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

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