B767 captain becomes disoriented while taxiing out and overshot runway hold short line. However, the...

Attributes
ACN	538864
Time
Date	200202
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : stl.airport
State Reference	MO
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : abq.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B767-300 and 300 ER
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 25
ASRS Report	538864
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	flight crew : became reoriented none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : detected after the fact
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Airport
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

I was the copilot for aircraft X flight XXXX on feb/tue/02 from stl to lgw. We pushed back from the gate in stl and were facing tail west on the inner airline ramp. After being cleared by ground to taxi to runway 12L via taxiway a hold short of the runway 12R at taxiway east, we began our taxi. The captain made a left turn to join taxiway a and I informed him that I would be heads down and began the process of updating the FMC with the new closeout weights. I looked up to see the red runway sign out of my peripheral vision and the yellow runway hold short lines coming up quickly. Just as I was about to tell him to stop, the ground controller told us to stop. The nose of the plane was probably 5 ft over the yellow hold line at taxiway H. An MD80 on rollout taxied by us and the tower departed another plane before giving us instructions to cross runway 12L at taxiway H. The captain later stated that he knew that he had to turn around a grass island to get to taxiway a. But we were pushed back to the north side of the airline ramp and the captain missed the island that he was looking for and instead turned around the island that separated taxiway a and runway 12R. Contributing factors: 1) I am a new copilot on the airplane and was receiving IOE that night. 2) we got to the plane 1/2 hour before departure due to the fact that we are using paperwork and it took us longer to locate the information that we needed to work the flight. 3) the change in call signs from XXXX to YYYY requires extra thought instead of just being able to respond naturally. 4) using 4 digit call signs instead of 2 or 3 also causes a break in habit patterns. 5) both me and the third pilot in the cockpit should have not done any extra paperwork until we were sure that the captain was on taxiway a. The third pilot and myself were both checked out as capts on the B717.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: B767 CAPT BECOMES DISORIENTED WHILE TAXIING OUT AND OVERSHOT RWY HOLD SHORT LINE. HOWEVER, THE TWR CTLR PERMITTED A LNDG ACFT TO ROLL PAST AND ANOTHER TO DEPART BEFORE MOVING HIM ACROSS THE RWY.

Narrative: I WAS THE COPLT FOR ACFT X FLT XXXX ON FEB/TUE/02 FROM STL TO LGW. WE PUSHED BACK FROM THE GATE IN STL AND WERE FACING TAIL W ON THE INNER AIRLINE RAMP. AFTER BEING CLRED BY GND TO TAXI TO RWY 12L VIA TXWY A HOLD SHORT OF THE RWY 12R AT TXWY E, WE BEGAN OUR TAXI. THE CAPT MADE A L TURN TO JOIN TXWY A AND I INFORMED HIM THAT I WOULD BE HEADS DOWN AND BEGAN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE FMC WITH THE NEW CLOSEOUT WTS. I LOOKED UP TO SEE THE RED RWY SIGN OUT OF MY PERIPHERAL VISION AND THE YELLOW RWY HOLD SHORT LINES COMING UP QUICKLY. JUST AS I WAS ABOUT TO TELL HIM TO STOP, THE GND CTLR TOLD US TO STOP. THE NOSE OF THE PLANE WAS PROBABLY 5 FT OVER THE YELLOW HOLD LINE AT TXWY H. AN MD80 ON ROLLOUT TAXIED BY US AND THE TWR DEPARTED ANOTHER PLANE BEFORE GIVING US INSTRUCTIONS TO CROSS RWY 12L AT TXWY H. THE CAPT LATER STATED THAT HE KNEW THAT HE HAD TO TURN AROUND A GRASS ISLAND TO GET TO TXWY A. BUT WE WERE PUSHED BACK TO THE N SIDE OF THE AIRLINE RAMP AND THE CAPT MISSED THE ISLAND THAT HE WAS LOOKING FOR AND INSTEAD TURNED AROUND THE ISLAND THAT SEPARATED TXWY A AND RWY 12R. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) I AM A NEW COPLT ON THE AIRPLANE AND WAS RECEIVING IOE THAT NIGHT. 2) WE GOT TO THE PLANE 1/2 HR BEFORE DEP DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE USING PAPERWORK AND IT TOOK US LONGER TO LOCATE THE INFO THAT WE NEEDED TO WORK THE FLT. 3) THE CHANGE IN CALL SIGNS FROM XXXX TO YYYY REQUIRES EXTRA THOUGHT INSTEAD OF JUST BEING ABLE TO RESPOND NATURALLY. 4) USING 4 DIGIT CALL SIGNS INSTEAD OF 2 OR 3 ALSO CAUSES A BREAK IN HABIT PATTERNS. 5) BOTH ME AND THE THIRD PLT IN THE COCKPIT SHOULD HAVE NOT DONE ANY EXTRA PAPERWORK UNTIL WE WERE SURE THAT THE CAPT WAS ON TXWY A. THE THIRD PLT AND MYSELF WERE BOTH CHKED OUT AS CAPTS ON THE B717.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

B767 captain becomes disoriented while taxiing out and overshot runway hold short line. However, the tower controller permitted a landing aircraft to roll past and another to depart before moving him across the runway.