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A DO328 crew apparently did not convince the pit approach controller they were at 250 KIAS while descending to 10000 ft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 535644 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200201 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : pit.airport |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
| Environment | |
| Weather Elements | other |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : pit.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Do 328 TP (Turboprop) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 5400 flight time type : 3100 |
| ASRS Report | 535644 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Weather ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
ATC kept us high due to crossing traffic below us. Once we cleared the traffic, we were asked if we could cross wiske intersection at 7000 ft MSL. We said no problem, but had to show 265 KIAS and a 4000 FPM rate of descent. Once we reached 10000 ft MSL, we slowed down to 250 KIAS, and continued our descent at 4000 FPM. At 9000 ft MSL, the controller asked us 'what is your speed?' we replied '250 KIAS.' he replied 'yeah, right!' I then said 'well, we are descending at 4000 FPM, and we do have a 57 KT tailwind, so that might explain why we are coming down so fast....' the controller replied 'I know what winds are, I didn't ask you for the winds, I just don't believe your speed, indicated that is.' basically, this controller called me a liar! Before I could answer, he assigned us another approach frequency and we made wiske intersection with no trouble. We landed in pit without further incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DO328 CREW APPARENTLY DID NOT CONVINCE THE PIT APCH CTLR THEY WERE AT 250 KIAS WHILE DSNDING TO 10000 FT.
Narrative: ATC KEPT US HIGH DUE TO XING TFC BELOW US. ONCE WE CLRED THE TFC, WE WERE ASKED IF WE COULD CROSS WISKE INTXN AT 7000 FT MSL. WE SAID NO PROB, BUT HAD TO SHOW 265 KIAS AND A 4000 FPM RATE OF DSCNT. ONCE WE REACHED 10000 FT MSL, WE SLOWED DOWN TO 250 KIAS, AND CONTINUED OUR DSCNT AT 4000 FPM. AT 9000 FT MSL, THE CTLR ASKED US 'WHAT IS YOUR SPD?' WE REPLIED '250 KIAS.' HE REPLIED 'YEAH, RIGHT!' I THEN SAID 'WELL, WE ARE DSNDING AT 4000 FPM, AND WE DO HAVE A 57 KT TAILWIND, SO THAT MIGHT EXPLAIN WHY WE ARE COMING DOWN SO FAST....' THE CTLR REPLIED 'I KNOW WHAT WINDS ARE, I DIDN'T ASK YOU FOR THE WINDS, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE YOUR SPD, INDICATED THAT IS.' BASICALLY, THIS CTLR CALLED ME A LIAR! BEFORE I COULD ANSWER, HE ASSIGNED US ANOTHER APCH FREQ AND WE MADE WISKE INTXN WITH NO TROUBLE. WE LANDED IN PIT WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.