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|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : tiw.airport|
|Altitude||agl single value : 0|
|Operator||general aviation : instructional|
|Make Model Name||PA-34-200 Seneca I|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 91|
|Flight Phase||landing : roll|
|Function||instruction : instructor|
|Qualification||pilot : cfi|
pilot : multi engine
pilot : commercial
pilot : instrument
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 103|
flight time total : 1245
flight time type : 258
|Function||flight crew : single pilot|
instruction : trainee
|Anomaly||ground encounters other|
non adherence : published procedure
non adherence : far
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
other flight crewb
|Resolutory Action||none taken : detected after the fact|
|Problem Areas||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
My student and I were conducting touch and goes toward the end of a flight lesson. On our third touch and go the student quickly grabbed the gear handle instead of the flap handle and raised it to the up position. I yelled 'no' as soon as he grabbed it and started reaching to bring it back down. I brought it down immediately, but the hydraulic pressure in the nose gear released and the front nose gear collapsed. The nose slid on the pavement for a few hundred feet before we came to a stop. The propellers struck the ground and q-tipped the propellers. There was no structural damage to the aircraft. I believe that the student's unfamiliarity of the piper seneca's gear and flap setup and having a majority of his time in cesnna's with the electric flap handle contributed along with my not having the student touch the handle and say 'confirm flap handle' before moving it was the cause. I believe to prevent this from happening a student should become proficient and conduct only stop and goes or stop-taxi back before teaching them touch and go procedures. The student was an asel commercial working on his amel commercial addition. He had about 4.5 hours in a multi-engine at the time this occurred.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PA34 STUDENT PLT RETRACTED LNDG GEAR WHILE ACFT WAS DOING A TOUCH AND GO. STUDENT MEANT TO RETRACT FLAPS INSTEAD.
Narrative: MY STUDENT AND I WERE CONDUCTING TOUCH AND GOES TOWARD THE END OF A FLT LESSON. ON OUR THIRD TOUCH AND GO THE STUDENT QUICKLY GRABBED THE GEAR HANDLE INSTEAD OF THE FLAP HANDLE AND RAISED IT TO THE UP POS. I YELLED 'NO' AS SOON AS HE GRABBED IT AND STARTED REACHING TO BRING IT BACK DOWN. I BROUGHT IT DOWN IMMEDIATELY, BUT THE HYD PRESSURE IN THE NOSE GEAR RELEASED AND THE FRONT NOSE GEAR COLLAPSED. THE NOSE SLID ON THE PAVEMENT FOR A FEW HUNDRED FEET BEFORE WE CAME TO A STOP. THE PROPS STRUCK THE GND AND Q-TIPPED THE PROPS. THERE WAS NO STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO THE ACFT. I BELIEVE THAT THE STUDENT'S UNFAMILIARITY OF THE PIPER SENECA'S GEAR AND FLAP SETUP AND HAVING A MAJORITY OF HIS TIME IN CESNNA'S WITH THE ELECTRIC FLAP HANDLE CONTRIBUTED ALONG WITH MY NOT HAVING THE STUDENT TOUCH THE HANDLE AND SAY 'CONFIRM FLAP HANDLE' BEFORE MOVING IT WAS THE CAUSE. I BELIEVE TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING A STUDENT SHOULD BECOME PROFICIENT AND CONDUCT ONLY STOP AND GOES OR STOP-TAXI BACK BEFORE TEACHING THEM TOUCH AND GO PROCS. THE STUDENT WAS AN ASEL COMMERCIAL WORKING ON HIS AMEL COMMERCIAL ADDITION. HE HAD ABOUT 4.5 HRS IN A MULTI-ENG AT THE TIME THIS OCCURRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.