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A B737 crew, taxiing for takeoff at tjsj, after being cleared into position to hold, were subsequently told to hold short, positioning them past the hold short line.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 531461 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200111 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sju.airport |
| State Reference | PR |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : sju.tower tower : mdw.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : sju.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 531461 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| ASRS Report | 531460 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Cleared into position and hold runway 8. Began taxi. Subsequently told to hold short after nose past hold line. Stopped and tried to report position to tower 3 times. Not acknowledged. Radio traffic to a departing flight to turn out and another flight cleared to land was extensive, making it difficult to contact tower. Traffic landed. When again cleared into position and hold, confirmed clearance and questioned if tower had heard any calls about being past hole line. Tower said they had not. Supplemental information from acn 531460: tower told us to taxi into position and hold onto runway 8. We started to taxi into position and tower came back on the radio and told us to hold our position.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737 CREW, TAXIING FOR TKOF AT TJSJ, AFTER BEING CLRED INTO POS TO HOLD, WERE SUBSEQUENTLY TOLD TO HOLD SHORT, POSITIONING THEM PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINE.
Narrative: CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD RWY 8. BEGAN TAXI. SUBSEQUENTLY TOLD TO HOLD SHORT AFTER NOSE PAST HOLD LINE. STOPPED AND TRIED TO RPT POS TO TWR 3 TIMES. NOT ACKNOWLEDGED. RADIO TFC TO A DEPARTING FLT TO TURN OUT AND ANOTHER FLT CLRED TO LAND WAS EXTENSIVE, MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO CONTACT TWR. TFC LANDED. WHEN AGAIN CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD, CONFIRMED CLRNC AND QUESTIONED IF TWR HAD HEARD ANY CALLS ABOUT BEING PAST HOLE LINE. TWR SAID THEY HAD NOT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 531460: TWR TOLD US TO TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD ONTO RWY 8. WE STARTED TO TAXI INTO POS AND TWR CAME BACK ON THE RADIO AND TOLD US TO HOLD OUR POS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.