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A BA4100 flight crew is uncertain if they received a clearance to land since they were still on approach frequency.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 525930 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200109 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ewr.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Jetstream 41 |
| Flight Phase | landing : roll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 1000 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 525930 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : landing without clearance non adherence : far |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I am not sure there was an event, but myself and my captain can't recall if we were cleared to land or if we replied to a clearance to land. After landing, I did my normal flow of after landing procedures and we noticed that the approach frequency was still up. I don't know if the frequency was switched in haste, because I may have been in a rush to put in the next ground frequency at newark. Typically tower gives a lot of instructions on landing rollout, while the pilots are still trying to take care of clean up of the airplane. Also we fly into newark on a regular basis that I usually expect a clearance to land 4-5 aircraft out on approach. So we don't usually reply to a clearance to land on short final. A good amount of time can pass between being cleared to land and actual touchdown, so it could be possible to forget if there are other things going on. I hope this helps.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A BA4100 FLT CREW IS UNCERTAIN IF THEY RECEIVED A CLRNC TO LAND SINCE THEY WERE STILL ON APCH FREQ.
Narrative: I AM NOT SURE THERE WAS AN EVENT, BUT MYSELF AND MY CAPT CAN'T RECALL IF WE WERE CLRED TO LAND OR IF WE REPLIED TO A CLRNC TO LAND. AFTER LNDG, I DID MY NORMAL FLOW OF AFTER LNDG PROCS AND WE NOTICED THAT THE APCH FREQ WAS STILL UP. I DON'T KNOW IF THE FREQ WAS SWITCHED IN HASTE, BECAUSE I MAY HAVE BEEN IN A RUSH TO PUT IN THE NEXT GND FREQ AT NEWARK. TYPICALLY TWR GIVES A LOT OF INSTRUCTIONS ON LNDG ROLLOUT, WHILE THE PLTS ARE STILL TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF CLEAN UP OF THE AIRPLANE. ALSO WE FLY INTO NEWARK ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT I USUALLY EXPECT A CLRNC TO LAND 4-5 ACFT OUT ON APCH. SO WE DON'T USUALLY REPLY TO A CLRNC TO LAND ON SHORT FINAL. A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME CAN PASS BTWN BEING CLRED TO LAND AND ACTUAL TOUCHDOWN, SO IT COULD BE POSSIBLE TO FORGET IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS GOING ON. I HOPE THIS HELPS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.