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Rv-6A pilot and approach controller are frustrated with the interpretation of the temporary flight restriction rules of training flts through class B airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 525319 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200109 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : iad.airport |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : iad.tracon tracon : p50.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Amateur (Home) Built |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR Combined VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 1000 flight time type : 260 |
| ASRS Report | 525319 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : provided flight assist controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Tfr required IFR flight plan or instructor on board for flts to/from manassas airport (hef). I departed hef to culpepper (cjr) IFR. Dulles approach controller told me I could cancel IFR, do touch and goes at cjr, then pick up IFR back to hef. After touch and goes at cjr I called dulles, requesting IFR direct hef. The new controller said he was too busy for IFR, and cleared me into the class B direct hef airport. I declined, telling him I had no CFI on board. He got real huffy, told me he wasn't an instructor either, and didn't know what that had to do with it. He told me to stay clear of class B. About 10-15 minutes later he vectored me into class B, then cleared me for the visual into hef. He did not tell me I was 'cleared to hef' when he vectored me into the class B, so I don't know if I was actually on an IFR plan at that point, possibly violating the tfr. In my opinion this is a problem of the FAA's own bizarre rules.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RV-6A PLT AND APCH CTLR ARE FRUSTRATED WITH THE INTERPRETATION OF THE TEMPORARY FLT RESTRICTION RULES OF TRAINING FLTS THROUGH CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: TFR REQUIRED IFR FLT PLAN OR INSTRUCTOR ON BOARD FOR FLTS TO/FROM MANASSAS ARPT (HEF). I DEPARTED HEF TO CULPEPPER (CJR) IFR. DULLES APCH CTLR TOLD ME I COULD CANCEL IFR, DO TOUCH AND GOES AT CJR, THEN PICK UP IFR BACK TO HEF. AFTER TOUCH AND GOES AT CJR I CALLED DULLES, REQUESTING IFR DIRECT HEF. THE NEW CTLR SAID HE WAS TOO BUSY FOR IFR, AND CLRED ME INTO THE CLASS B DIRECT HEF ARPT. I DECLINED, TELLING HIM I HAD NO CFI ON BOARD. HE GOT REAL HUFFY, TOLD ME HE WASN'T AN INSTRUCTOR EITHER, AND DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT HAD TO DO WITH IT. HE TOLD ME TO STAY CLR OF CLASS B. ABOUT 10-15 MINUTES LATER HE VECTORED ME INTO CLASS B, THEN CLEARED ME FOR THE VISUAL INTO HEF. HE DID NOT TELL ME I WAS 'CLRED TO HEF' WHEN HE VECTORED ME INTO THE CLASS B, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS ACTUALLY ON AN IFR PLAN AT THAT POINT, POSSIBLY VIOLATING THE TFR. IN MY OPINION THIS IS A PROBLEM OF THE FAA'S OWN BIZARRE RULES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.