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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 519704 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200107 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : gpm.airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 10 flight time total : 400 flight time type : 200 |
| ASRS Report | 519704 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : exited penetrated airspace |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
Approximately 10 mi ese of dfw class B, contacted approach, asked for clearance through class B to gpm. Told to 2500 ft, fly 'north' of redbird airport (rbd) then direct gpm. When I was about 2 mi north of redbird, I called my position to approach and asked if I could begin a descent to gpm. He told me in a nice conversational tone that he'd been 'talking' to redbird, they knew I was there, that I could begin my descent, head to gpm and contact gpm. I thanked him and switched frequency (he did not tell me to squawk VFR). After I landed at gpm, tower told me that redbird called and said I busted their airspace. I told them I was talking to approach and had a squawk code. He said he'd call them back. I called again to ask what redbird said. Gpm told me that no one called them and that I went through their airspace without authority/authorized and that I switched to 1200 while in their airspace...? Was not me. I have seen this once before with phoenix approach versus scottsdale tower -- is this a turf battle?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C182 PLT CHALLENGED BY GPM CTLR ABOUT RFD AIRSPACE PENETRATION WITHOUT A CLRNC.
Narrative: APPROX 10 MI ESE OF DFW CLASS B, CONTACTED APCH, ASKED FOR CLRNC THROUGH CLASS B TO GPM. TOLD TO 2500 FT, FLY 'N' OF REDBIRD ARPT (RBD) THEN DIRECT GPM. WHEN I WAS ABOUT 2 MI N OF REDBIRD, I CALLED MY POS TO APCH AND ASKED IF I COULD BEGIN A DSCNT TO GPM. HE TOLD ME IN A NICE CONVERSATIONAL TONE THAT HE'D BEEN 'TALKING' TO REDBIRD, THEY KNEW I WAS THERE, THAT I COULD BEGIN MY DSCNT, HEAD TO GPM AND CONTACT GPM. I THANKED HIM AND SWITCHED FREQ (HE DID NOT TELL ME TO SQUAWK VFR). AFTER I LANDED AT GPM, TWR TOLD ME THAT REDBIRD CALLED AND SAID I BUSTED THEIR AIRSPACE. I TOLD THEM I WAS TALKING TO APCH AND HAD A SQUAWK CODE. HE SAID HE'D CALL THEM BACK. I CALLED AGAIN TO ASK WHAT REDBIRD SAID. GPM TOLD ME THAT NO ONE CALLED THEM AND THAT I WENT THROUGH THEIR AIRSPACE WITHOUT AUTH AND THAT I SWITCHED TO 1200 WHILE IN THEIR AIRSPACE...? WAS NOT ME. I HAVE SEEN THIS ONCE BEFORE WITH PHOENIX APCH VERSUS SCOTTSDALE TWR -- IS THIS A TURF BATTLE?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.