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Air carrier turbojet on STAR inbound to las has an near midair collision with flight of 4 military jets VFR.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 510073 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200105 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | intersection : bty |
| State Reference | NV |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 16600 msl bound upper : 17000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc tracon : l30.tracon tracon : d10.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
| Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival star : fuzzy four arrival |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 185 flight time total : 21800 flight time type : 600 |
| ASRS Report | 510073 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 580 |
| ASRS Report | 510072 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac conflict : airborne critical non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 400 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| Airspace Structure | class e : zla.e |
Narrative:
While on our descent into las on the fuzzy 4 arrival, approach control had assigned us to cross fuzzy intersection at 16000 ft. Approaching fuzzy on our descent through 17000 ft, approach control commanded us to stop at 17000 ft, at which time a flight of 4 F-16's from nellis AFB passed directly 400 ft below us. There was no TCASII alert, nor time to react. Approach control apologized and said they are not in communication come nellis. My question is, why are they not in communication with nellis? And why is a VFR flight of 4 fighters allowed to operate on a major arrival route? This could have been a potential disaster! Supplemental information from acn 510072
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR TURBOJET ON STAR INBOUND TO LAS HAS AN NMAC WITH FLT OF 4 MIL JETS VFR.
Narrative: WHILE ON OUR DSCNT INTO LAS ON THE FUZZY 4 ARR, APCH CTL HAD ASSIGNED US TO CROSS FUZZY INTXN AT 16000 FT. APCHING FUZZY ON OUR DSCNT THROUGH 17000 FT, APCH CTL COMMANDED US TO STOP AT 17000 FT, AT WHICH TIME A FLT OF 4 F-16'S FROM NELLIS AFB PASSED DIRECTLY 400 FT BELOW US. THERE WAS NO TCASII ALERT, NOR TIME TO REACT. APCH CTL APOLOGIZED AND SAID THEY ARE NOT IN COM COME NELLIS. MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE THEY NOT IN COM WITH NELLIS? AND WHY IS A VFR FLT OF 4 FIGHTERS ALLOWED TO OPERATE ON A MAJOR ARR RTE? THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A POTENTIAL DISASTER! SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 510072
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.