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A B737 PIC complaint of unusual turn and proximity to the twin towers at the world trade center as set up by N90 approach controller for approach to lga, ny.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 508530 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200104 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | intersection : apple |
| State Reference | NY |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-300 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival star : korry 2 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 510 flight time total : 25000 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 508530 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : far non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action flight crew : overrode automation none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
On the korry 2 arrival near apple intersection (which put us over or north of coney island, aimed at lga to land runway 22), the controller gave us a turn to 340 degrees (?) which was a left turn. If we had flown a standard rate turn we would have flown over the world trade center, which I believe has an automatic warning for controllers (if fixed azi mouth and altitude are crossed). We steepened up the turn and reconfirmed that they wanted us up the hudson river as we were already east of the east river. They repeated the clearance and the next controller confirmed a heading that put us just over the west shore of manhattan. Everything after that was normal. I've never been set up for a left turn-in for runway 22 at lga, over brooklyn and then given a 65 degree left turn to join the hudson.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737 PIC COMPLAINT OF UNUSUAL TURN AND PROX TO THE TWIN TWRS AT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER AS SET UP BY N90 APCH CTLR FOR APCH TO LGA, NY.
Narrative: ON THE KORRY 2 ARR NEAR APPLE INTXN (WHICH PUT US OVER OR N OF CONEY ISLAND, AIMED AT LGA TO LAND RWY 22), THE CTLR GAVE US A TURN TO 340 DEGS (?) WHICH WAS A L TURN. IF WE HAD FLOWN A STANDARD RATE TURN WE WOULD HAVE FLOWN OVER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, WHICH I BELIEVE HAS AN AUTO WARNING FOR CTLRS (IF FIXED AZI MOUTH AND ALT ARE CROSSED). WE STEEPENED UP THE TURN AND RECONFIRMED THAT THEY WANTED US UP THE HUDSON RIVER AS WE WERE ALREADY E OF THE EAST RIVER. THEY REPEATED THE CLRNC AND THE NEXT CTLR CONFIRMED A HDG THAT PUT US JUST OVER THE W SHORE OF MANHATTAN. EVERYTHING AFTER THAT WAS NORMAL. I'VE NEVER BEEN SET UP FOR A L TURN-IN FOR RWY 22 AT LGA, OVER BROOKLYN AND THEN GIVEN A 65 DEG L TURN TO JOIN THE HUDSON.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.