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After landing and still on approach control frequency, an air carrier crew questions their understanding that approach control issued the landing clearance.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 507210 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200104 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ric.airport |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | agl single value : 1000 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-300 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach ground : maintenance |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 14500 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 507210 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : landing without clearance non adherence : published procedure |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Facility ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Late arrival at the end of a long day. VFR conditions. Vectored for visual final runway 16 ric. High when cleared for visual, and tight with runway. I was busy getting configured in order to get down, and understood richmond approach to clear us for the visual approach runway 16, cleared to land. As it was late (almost XA00) this didn't seem unusual. I asked the first officer on short final if we were cleared to land and he replied yes. After landing rollout, we called approach for taxi instructions due to intersecting runway and numerous taxiway closures. No reply. Switched to tower frequency and received reply. First officer said to tower that he thought we were to stay with approach, to which tower replied 'no problem. Taxi to ramp.' I'm still unclr whether or not an explicit clearance to land was ever issued to us. There were no conflicts with other traffic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AFTER LNDG AND STILL ON APCH CTL FREQ, AN ACR CREW QUESTIONS THEIR UNDERSTANDING THAT APCH CTL ISSUED THE LNDG CLRNC.
Narrative: LATE ARR AT THE END OF A LONG DAY. VFR CONDITIONS. VECTORED FOR VISUAL FINAL RWY 16 RIC. HIGH WHEN CLRED FOR VISUAL, AND TIGHT WITH RWY. I WAS BUSY GETTING CONFIGURED IN ORDER TO GET DOWN, AND UNDERSTOOD RICHMOND APCH TO CLR US FOR THE VISUAL APCH RWY 16, CLRED TO LAND. AS IT WAS LATE (ALMOST XA00) THIS DIDN'T SEEM UNUSUAL. I ASKED THE FO ON SHORT FINAL IF WE WERE CLRED TO LAND AND HE REPLIED YES. AFTER LNDG ROLLOUT, WE CALLED APCH FOR TAXI INSTRUCTIONS DUE TO INTERSECTING RWY AND NUMEROUS TXWY CLOSURES. NO REPLY. SWITCHED TO TWR FREQ AND RECEIVED REPLY. FO SAID TO TWR THAT HE THOUGHT WE WERE TO STAY WITH APCH, TO WHICH TWR REPLIED 'NO PROB. TAXI TO RAMP.' I'M STILL UNCLR WHETHER OR NOT AN EXPLICIT CLRNC TO LAND WAS EVER ISSUED TO US. THERE WERE NO CONFLICTS WITH OTHER TFC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.