A short ferry flight results in much confusion between ATC and flight crew from shortly after takeof...

Attributes
ACN	490958
Time
Date	200011
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : zla.artcc
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 12000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zla.artcc tracon : sct.tracon tower : hnl.tower
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Citation V
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	climbout : initial cruise : level
Route In Use	arrival : on vectors arrival star : rdz.4
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 2200
ASRS Report	490958
Person 2
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Facility Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure
Primary Problem	Ambiguous

Narrative:

Ferry flight from udd to lax. We received clearance and void time on ground via cell phone. Cleared as filed. After takeoff, we contacted departure who confirmed our passing altitude and then told us to maintain VFR while they worked on our clearance! I then asked for a heading and altitude. It would only take a few mins for the heading to take us into a mountain. We were then given a route that began at psp (we were past psp) and had route breaks. Frequency was congested. Another controller tried vectoring us onto our route, but we needed to have the fix spelled. Vectors took us in circles and the frequency was blocked until we were instructed to switch frequencys. Next controller instructed us to fly direct to pdz for the pdz 4 arrival. Lax ATIS was very long and we couldn't hear the landing runway. Approach frequency was congested and our queries went unanswered. Pdz 4 arrival goes south to north. Lax has 4 parallel runways going east to west. Consequently, landing runway is required for the FMS and flight planning. Crossing restrs on the newly assigned STAR were ambiguous to crew. Approach frequency was little help because of blocked xmissions.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A SHORT FERRY FLT RESULTS IN MUCH CONFUSION BTWN ATC AND FLC FROM SHORTLY AFTER TKOF TO ARR AT LAS ANGELES.

Narrative: FERRY FLT FROM UDD TO LAX. WE RECEIVED CLRNC AND VOID TIME ON GND VIA CELL PHONE. CLRED AS FILED. AFTER TKOF, WE CONTACTED DEP WHO CONFIRMED OUR PASSING ALT AND THEN TOLD US TO MAINTAIN VFR WHILE THEY WORKED ON OUR CLRNC! I THEN ASKED FOR A HDG AND ALT. IT WOULD ONLY TAKE A FEW MINS FOR THE HDG TO TAKE US INTO A MOUNTAIN. WE WERE THEN GIVEN A RTE THAT BEGAN AT PSP (WE WERE PAST PSP) AND HAD RTE BREAKS. FREQ WAS CONGESTED. ANOTHER CTLR TRIED VECTORING US ONTO OUR RTE, BUT WE NEEDED TO HAVE THE FIX SPELLED. VECTORS TOOK US IN CIRCLES AND THE FREQ WAS BLOCKED UNTIL WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO SWITCH FREQS. NEXT CTLR INSTRUCTED US TO FLY DIRECT TO PDZ FOR THE PDZ 4 ARR. LAX ATIS WAS VERY LONG AND WE COULDN'T HEAR THE LNDG RWY. APCH FREQ WAS CONGESTED AND OUR QUERIES WENT UNANSWERED. PDZ 4 ARR GOES S TO N. LAX HAS 4 PARALLEL RWYS GOING E TO W. CONSEQUENTLY, LNDG RWY IS REQUIRED FOR THE FMS AND FLT PLANNING. XING RESTRS ON THE NEWLY ASSIGNED STAR WERE AMBIGUOUS TO CREW. APCH FREQ WAS LITTLE HELP BECAUSE OF BLOCKED XMISSIONS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

A short ferry flight results in much confusion between ATC and flight crew from shortly after takeoff to arrival at las angeles.