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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 480420 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200007 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : san.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 27 other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 27 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 175 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 480420 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | other controllerb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure Chart Or Publication |
| Primary Problem | Environmental Factor |
Narrative:
At 6000 ft, 6-10 mi from vydda intersection, ATC cleared us for a visual approach to runway 27 behind an air carrier jet to runway 27 at san. We began a descent to cross vydda at 4000 ft and were advised by ATC we were leaving class B airspace and would re-enter momentarily. The boundary markers should be made from DME the approach is based on, not xradials. One cannot immediately reference xradials when ATC gives you a sudden change.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR ADVISED BY TRACON THAT THEY ARE BELOW THE CLASS B AIRSPACE ON APCH TO SAN.
Narrative: AT 6000 FT, 6-10 MI FROM VYDDA INTXN, ATC CLRED US FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 27 BEHIND AN ACR JET TO RWY 27 AT SAN. WE BEGAN A DSCNT TO CROSS VYDDA AT 4000 FT AND WERE ADVISED BY ATC WE WERE LEAVING CLASS B AIRSPACE AND WOULD RE-ENTER MOMENTARILY. THE BOUNDARY MARKERS SHOULD BE MADE FROM DME THE APCH IS BASED ON, NOT XRADIALS. ONE CANNOT IMMEDIATELY REF XRADIALS WHEN ATC GIVES YOU A SUDDEN CHANGE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.