<< >> NASA ASRS Report 463378, February 2000

An EMB145 dispatched with cargo compartment fire detection and fire extinguisher system deferred as inoperative is disputed by the captain as unsafe.

Attributes
ACN	463378
Time
Date	200002
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : zzz.airport
State Reference	US
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : preflight ground : parked
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 220
ASRS Report	463378
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : critical other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	other
Factors
Maintenance	contributing factor : schedule pressure performance deficiency : testing performance deficiency : repair performance deficiency : fault isolation
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Aircraft Maintenance Human Performance
Primary Problem	Maintenance Human Performance

Narrative:

ZZZ is a maintenance base for air carrier. We picked up aircraft xyz early in the morning. It had 4 MEL's on it. I carefully studied all MEL's and checked logbook and MEL guide for legality and expiration dates. All was legal and the 2 MEL regarding the cargo compartment had to be cleared that day. #1 MEL was: cargo compartment smoke detection system inoperative, and #2 MEL for: cargo compartment fire extinguisher system inoperative. Only restr was: no live animals in cargo hold (C2=class C compartment.) ramp personnel and flight attendant were briefed. We departed with 47 passenger and 1200 pounds of baggage/cargo. At 37000 ft, I started to realize how unsafe this scenario is, legal or not...it is unsafe.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN EMB145 DISPATCHED WITH CARGO COMPARTMENT FIRE DETECTION AND FIRE EXTINGUISHER SYS DEFERRED AS INOP IS DISPUTED BY THE CAPT AS UNSAFE.

Narrative: ZZZ IS A MAINT BASE FOR ACR. WE PICKED UP ACFT XYZ EARLY IN THE MORNING. IT HAD 4 MEL'S ON IT. I CAREFULLY STUDIED ALL MEL'S AND CHKED LOGBOOK AND MEL GUIDE FOR LEGALITY AND EXPIRATION DATES. ALL WAS LEGAL AND THE 2 MEL REGARDING THE CARGO COMPARTMENT HAD TO BE CLRED THAT DAY. #1 MEL WAS: CARGO COMPARTMENT SMOKE DETECTION SYS INOP, AND #2 MEL FOR: CARGO COMPARTMENT FIRE EXTINGUISHER SYS INOP. ONLY RESTR WAS: NO LIVE ANIMALS IN CARGO HOLD (C2=CLASS C COMPARTMENT.) RAMP PERSONNEL AND FLT ATTENDANT WERE BRIEFED. WE DEPARTED WITH 47 PAX AND 1200 LBS OF BAGGAGE/CARGO. AT 37000 FT, I STARTED TO REALIZE HOW UNSAFE THIS SCENARIO IS, LEGAL OR NOT...IT IS UNSAFE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.