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Falcon 10 unable to pick up IFR clearance from palm springs approach upset while ZLA processes request leaving trm.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 462783 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200002 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : trm.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 5500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Falcon 10C |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure : vfr |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure : vfr |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8400 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 462783 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport Airspace Structure |
| Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : zla.artcc |
| Airport | procedure or policy : trm.airport |
| Airspace Structure | class e : zla.e |
| Chart | airport : trm.airport |
Narrative:
After departing trm VFR, we tried to pick up our IFR clearance from palm springs approach using frequencys on our commercial chart, as did two jets that departed immediately after us. We had difficulty getting palm springs to answer us. When we did finally reach them, they told us we were not in their airspace, gave us a squawk and told us to contact ZLA. The aircraft behind us received the same treatment. After finally getting ZLA to talk to us, they told us to fly heading of 040 degrees to stay out of restricted area and to stand by. Aircraft behind us had trouble getting ZLA to respond. We finally received our clearance after many minutes and many miles. Suggest that trm have a remote outlet installed so that palm springs may be contacted on the ground for clearance due to volume of IFR jet traffic utilizing trm.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FALCON 10 UNABLE TO PICK UP IFR CLRNC FROM PALM SPRINGS APCH UPSET WHILE ZLA PROCESSES REQUEST LEAVING TRM.
Narrative: AFTER DEPARTING TRM VFR, WE TRIED TO PICK UP OUR IFR CLRNC FROM PALM SPRINGS APCH USING FREQS ON OUR COMMERCIAL CHART, AS DID TWO JETS THAT DEPARTED IMMEDIATELY AFTER US. WE HAD DIFFICULTY GETTING PALM SPRINGS TO ANSWER US. WHEN WE DID FINALLY REACH THEM, THEY TOLD US WE WERE NOT IN THEIR AIRSPACE, GAVE US A SQUAWK AND TOLD US TO CONTACT ZLA. THE ACFT BEHIND US RECEIVED THE SAME TREATMENT. AFTER FINALLY GETTING ZLA TO TALK TO US, THEY TOLD US TO FLY HDG OF 040 DEGS TO STAY OUT OF RESTRICTED AREA AND TO STAND BY. ACFT BEHIND US HAD TROUBLE GETTING ZLA TO RESPOND. WE FINALLY RECEIVED OUR CLRNC AFTER MANY MINUTES AND MANY MILES. SUGGEST THAT TRM HAVE A REMOTE OUTLET INSTALLED SO THAT PALM SPRINGS MAY BE CONTACTED ON THE GND FOR CLRNC DUE TO VOLUME OF IFR JET TFC UTILIZING TRM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.