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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 453000 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199910 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : acy.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | agl single value : 1000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : acy.tower tower : jst.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : vacating altitude |
| Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern arrival : vfr |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : acy.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-31 Navajo Chieftan/Mojave/Navajo T1020 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern approach : visual arrival : on vectors arrival : vfr |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 16 flight time total : 445 |
| ASRS Report | 453000 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : private pilot : multi engine |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter other non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was on right downwind for runway 31, and was cleared to land, #2 behind a piper navajo. The navajo extended his downwind and I also extended my downwind since I was told to follow him. Behind me was a piper arrow. The controller told the arrow that he was #4 (though he was really #3), and cleared him to land. When the navajo was on final to runway 31, I started a turn to right base. The arrow was behind me and requested to turn base so that he could land in front of me. I asked the arrow where he was, and he responded that he was inside of me. The controller said 'arrow, you are running the show.' I did not have the arrow in sight and was concerned about a possible collision on final, so instead of making a right turn to final, I decided to circle to the left. The controller was mad and asked me what I was doing. The controller vectored me back to a long final, and cleared for takeoff a DC9 that had been holding short of the runway. I then landed with no further problems. To avoid this incident, I should have asked the controller where the arrow was, and requested verification that there was no conflict. I also should have immediately informed the controller when I turned away from the runway. For his part, the controller should have used standard phraseology, and should have clarified that I was now to follow the arrow.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PA28-181 PLT MAKES SPACING TURN IN THE TFC PATTERN WITHOUT THE PROPER CLRNC.
Narrative: I WAS ON R DOWNWIND FOR RWY 31, AND WAS CLRED TO LAND, #2 BEHIND A PIPER NAVAJO. THE NAVAJO EXTENDED HIS DOWNWIND AND I ALSO EXTENDED MY DOWNWIND SINCE I WAS TOLD TO FOLLOW HIM. BEHIND ME WAS A PIPER ARROW. THE CTLR TOLD THE ARROW THAT HE WAS #4 (THOUGH HE WAS REALLY #3), AND CLRED HIM TO LAND. WHEN THE NAVAJO WAS ON FINAL TO RWY 31, I STARTED A TURN TO R BASE. THE ARROW WAS BEHIND ME AND REQUESTED TO TURN BASE SO THAT HE COULD LAND IN FRONT OF ME. I ASKED THE ARROW WHERE HE WAS, AND HE RESPONDED THAT HE WAS INSIDE OF ME. THE CTLR SAID 'ARROW, YOU ARE RUNNING THE SHOW.' I DID NOT HAVE THE ARROW IN SIGHT AND WAS CONCERNED ABOUT A POSSIBLE COLLISION ON FINAL, SO INSTEAD OF MAKING A R TURN TO FINAL, I DECIDED TO CIRCLE TO THE L. THE CTLR WAS MAD AND ASKED ME WHAT I WAS DOING. THE CTLR VECTORED ME BACK TO A LONG FINAL, AND CLRED FOR TKOF A DC9 THAT HAD BEEN HOLDING SHORT OF THE RWY. I THEN LANDED WITH NO FURTHER PROBS. TO AVOID THIS INCIDENT, I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THE CTLR WHERE THE ARROW WAS, AND REQUESTED VERIFICATION THAT THERE WAS NO CONFLICT. I ALSO SHOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY INFORMED THE CTLR WHEN I TURNED AWAY FROM THE RWY. FOR HIS PART, THE CTLR SHOULD HAVE USED STANDARD PHRASEOLOGY, AND SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED THAT I WAS NOW TO FOLLOW THE ARROW.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.