<< >> NASA ASRS Report 448957, September 1999

A landing B727 has a close encounter with a P51 making a crossing pass over another runway at 200 ft AGL at syr, ny.

Attributes
ACN	448957
Time
Date	199909
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : syr.airport
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl single value : 200
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : syr.tower tower : anc.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	ils localizer & glide slope : 28
Flight Phase	descent : vacating altitude descent : approach
Route In Use	approach : instrument precision
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Mustang (P51)
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	descent : approach descent : vacating altitude
Route In Use	approach : visual
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 800
ASRS Report	448957
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time total : 16500
ASRS Report	448955
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne critical non adherence : far non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : insufficient time
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Miss Distance	horizontal : 1500 vertical : 75
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance FAA Environmental Factor Airspace Structure Airport ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Inter Facility Coordination Failure

Narrative:

Clear, beautiful afternoon in syracuse, ny. We were cleared for the visual to runway 28. On short final (approximately 200 ft AGL on a standard 3 degree GS) we saw a P51 mustang flash across our nose as he was turning and pulling out of a dive to set up for a pass down runway 33 as part of an aerial demonstration for the local airshow. We knew an airshow was in progress, however, tower made no calls to expect any traffic and we did not hear them talk to the P51. No evasive maneuver was necessary and we continued our approach to an uneventful landing. After landing and talking to tower, we found out that the P51 pilot was also unaware of our approach. Apparently the 'air boss' controling the P51 at the airshow was not communicating/coordinating, etc with the field tower and separate frequencys were being used. Supplemental information from acn 448955: air carrier did a slight 'duck-under' on the GS, leveling at about 100 ft AGL until crossing runway 28 threshold to land.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A LNDG B727 HAS A CLOSE ENCOUNTER WITH A P51 MAKING A XING PASS OVER ANOTHER RWY AT 200 FT AGL AT SYR, NY.

Narrative: CLR, BEAUTIFUL AFTERNOON IN SYRACUSE, NY. WE WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL TO RWY 28. ON SHORT FINAL (APPROX 200 FT AGL ON A STANDARD 3 DEG GS) WE SAW A P51 MUSTANG FLASH ACROSS OUR NOSE AS HE WAS TURNING AND PULLING OUT OF A DIVE TO SET UP FOR A PASS DOWN RWY 33 AS PART OF AN AERIAL DEMO FOR THE LCL AIRSHOW. WE KNEW AN AIRSHOW WAS IN PROGRESS, HOWEVER, TWR MADE NO CALLS TO EXPECT ANY TFC AND WE DID NOT HEAR THEM TALK TO THE P51. NO EVASIVE MANEUVER WAS NECESSARY AND WE CONTINUED OUR APCH TO AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG. AFTER LNDG AND TALKING TO TWR, WE FOUND OUT THAT THE P51 PLT WAS ALSO UNAWARE OF OUR APCH. APPARENTLY THE 'AIR BOSS' CTLING THE P51 AT THE AIRSHOW WAS NOT COMMUNICATING/COORDINATING, ETC WITH THE FIELD TWR AND SEPARATE FREQS WERE BEING USED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 448955: ACR DID A SLIGHT 'DUCK-UNDER' ON THE GS, LEVELING AT ABOUT 100 FT AGL UNTIL XING RWY 28 THRESHOLD TO LAND.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.