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A B767-200 descends in accord with its TCASII RA to avoid climbing crossing T38 traffic on a military training route 14 mi southeast of ukw, 45 mi northwest of dfw, tx.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 448808 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199909 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : ukw.vortac |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 10500 msl bound upper : 11000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw.artcc tracon : d10.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : vacating altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival star : ns |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw.artcc |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Talon |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Route In Use | enroute other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 448808 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 4000 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance FAA Airspace Structure |
| Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
| Situations | |
| Airspace Structure | class e : zfw.e |
Narrative:
On ukw arrival into dfw from the northwest, we were just leaving 11000 ft. Received a TA on an aircraft that was just about 300 ft below at 9 O'clock and 4 mi. Leveled to look and aircraft now 200 ft below and closing. Received a descend RA. Autoplt was disconnected and RA complied with. Advised center and was handed off to approach. Approach asked if we had seen 'fast moving traffic.' we advised that we had seen what appeared to be a T38. Approach advised that there is a military training route at this location. While this area is clear of the class B airspace, this is a very hazardous spot for high speed military traffic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B767-200 DSNDS IN ACCORD WITH ITS TCASII RA TO AVOID CLBING XING T38 TFC ON A MIL TRAINING RTE 14 MI SE OF UKW, 45 MI NW OF DFW, TX.
Narrative: ON UKW ARR INTO DFW FROM THE NW, WE WERE JUST LEAVING 11000 FT. RECEIVED A TA ON AN ACFT THAT WAS JUST ABOUT 300 FT BELOW AT 9 O'CLOCK AND 4 MI. LEVELED TO LOOK AND ACFT NOW 200 FT BELOW AND CLOSING. RECEIVED A DSND RA. AUTOPLT WAS DISCONNECTED AND RA COMPLIED WITH. ADVISED CTR AND WAS HANDED OFF TO APCH. APCH ASKED IF WE HAD SEEN 'FAST MOVING TFC.' WE ADVISED THAT WE HAD SEEN WHAT APPEARED TO BE A T38. APCH ADVISED THAT THERE IS A MIL TRAINING RTE AT THIS LOCATION. WHILE THIS AREA IS CLR OF THE CLASS B AIRSPACE, THIS IS A VERY HAZARDOUS SPOT FOR HIGH SPD MIL TFC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.