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A non flying safety pilot reports that the PF's watch was 5 mins slow which caused a czi position report to be late.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 447280 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199908 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : czi.vor |
| State Reference | WY |
| Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-32 Cherokee Six/Lance/Saratoga |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : ns.airway |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | observation : passenger |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 280 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 20 |
| ASRS Report | 447280 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flying as a safety pilot for a friend completing his IFR training. ZDV requested a report passing czi. As we came up to czi, den became involved in a series of radio communications with other aircraft and my friend couldn't get his position call in until approximately 4 DME beyond czi. He made his position report as per the aim...'czi at 0000, 12000 ft.' ZDV came back with 'you crossed czi 8 mins ago!' and never listened to anything further from us. My friend's watch was 5 mins slow which resulted in the almost '8 mins' beyond czi where we were only about 2 1/2 to 3 mins past without a response to several previous calls that were either blocked or ignored. My friend is a fairly new pilot and didn't make any great effort to explain the apparent failure to report over czi. I attempted to explain the situation but ZDV simply ignored anything from our aircraft. I explained the need for accurate time to my friend but ATC could have been a bit less spring-loaded to jump all over us. 'What we have here is a failure to communicate.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A NON FLYING SAFETY PLT RPTS THAT THE PF'S WATCH WAS 5 MINS SLOW WHICH CAUSED A CZI POS RPT TO BE LATE.
Narrative: FLYING AS A SAFETY PLT FOR A FRIEND COMPLETING HIS IFR TRAINING. ZDV REQUESTED A RPT PASSING CZI. AS WE CAME UP TO CZI, DEN BECAME INVOLVED IN A SERIES OF RADIO COMS WITH OTHER ACFT AND MY FRIEND COULDN'T GET HIS POS CALL IN UNTIL APPROX 4 DME BEYOND CZI. HE MADE HIS POS RPT AS PER THE AIM...'CZI AT 0000, 12000 FT.' ZDV CAME BACK WITH 'YOU CROSSED CZI 8 MINS AGO!' AND NEVER LISTENED TO ANYTHING FURTHER FROM US. MY FRIEND'S WATCH WAS 5 MINS SLOW WHICH RESULTED IN THE ALMOST '8 MINS' BEYOND CZI WHERE WE WERE ONLY ABOUT 2 1/2 TO 3 MINS PAST WITHOUT A RESPONSE TO SEVERAL PREVIOUS CALLS THAT WERE EITHER BLOCKED OR IGNORED. MY FRIEND IS A FAIRLY NEW PLT AND DIDN'T MAKE ANY GREAT EFFORT TO EXPLAIN THE APPARENT FAILURE TO RPT OVER CZI. I ATTEMPTED TO EXPLAIN THE SIT BUT ZDV SIMPLY IGNORED ANYTHING FROM OUR ACFT. I EXPLAINED THE NEED FOR ACCURATE TIME TO MY FRIEND BUT ATC COULD HAVE BEEN A BIT LESS SPRING-LOADED TO JUMP ALL OVER US. 'WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.