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A cpr flight crew flying a DA900 into teb becomes confused as to their routing and clearance when contacting new york approach.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 441989 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199906 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : huo.vor |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl single value : 6000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Falcon 900 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 441989 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : provided flight assist controller : issued new clearance none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
On an arrival route to teb, our clearance was airway to hugenot direct teb. No additional or amended clrncs were given, so after hug, I proceeded direct to teb. The controller asked if I was going to teb, and when advised I was, he said no one goes that way and gave me a heading. This is a preferred routing into teb and the transition is ambiguous. If this is the expected procedure, then it should be made a 'STAR' with a depart 'hugenot' on a specified heading.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CPR FLC FLYING A DA900 INTO TEB BECOMES CONFUSED AS TO THEIR ROUTING AND CLRNC WHEN CONTACTING NEW YORK APCH.
Narrative: ON AN ARR RTE TO TEB, OUR CLRNC WAS AIRWAY TO HUGENOT DIRECT TEB. NO ADDITIONAL OR AMENDED CLRNCS WERE GIVEN, SO AFTER HUG, I PROCEEDED DIRECT TO TEB. THE CTLR ASKED IF I WAS GOING TO TEB, AND WHEN ADVISED I WAS, HE SAID NO ONE GOES THAT WAY AND GAVE ME A HDG. THIS IS A PREFERRED ROUTING INTO TEB AND THE TRANSITION IS AMBIGUOUS. IF THIS IS THE EXPECTED PROC, THEN IT SHOULD BE MADE A 'STAR' WITH A DEPART 'HUGENOT' ON A SPECIFIED HDG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.