Saab 340 flight crew crosses ILS hold line at lga.

Attributes
ACN	437190
Time
Date	199905
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lga.airport
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	SF 340B
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : holding ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 92 flight time total : 5100 flight time type : 1200
ASRS Report	437190
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	excursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airport
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

First officer copied ATIS and did not remember hearing 'ILS hold line in use.' as I taxied up to the ILS hold, I noticed that the B737 in front of me had taxied to the taxiway B4 hold. As he taxied onto runway, I taxied up to the taxiway B4 hold line. I asked the first officer if the ATIS said hold at the ILS hold line, and he said that he didn't hear it during the ATIS. Once airborne, and out of the lga area, I had him check the ATIS. Sure enough, he had missed the 'ILS hold line in use.'

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: SAAB 340 FLC CROSSES ILS HOLD LINE AT LGA.

Narrative: FO COPIED ATIS AND DID NOT REMEMBER HEARING 'ILS HOLD LINE IN USE.' AS I TAXIED UP TO THE ILS HOLD, I NOTICED THAT THE B737 IN FRONT OF ME HAD TAXIED TO THE TXWY B4 HOLD. AS HE TAXIED ONTO RWY, I TAXIED UP TO THE TXWY B4 HOLD LINE. I ASKED THE FO IF THE ATIS SAID HOLD AT THE ILS HOLD LINE, AND HE SAID THAT HE DIDN'T HEAR IT DURING THE ATIS. ONCE AIRBORNE, AND OUT OF THE LGA AREA, I HAD HIM CHK THE ATIS. SURE ENOUGH, HE HAD MISSED THE 'ILS HOLD LINE IN USE.'

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.