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A taxiing air carrier aircraft crosses runway 35C, taxiway Z, and holds short of runway 35L as cleared. Ground control tells them they should have held short of runway 35C. An aircraft had been noted on short final for runway 35C by the taxiing crew.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 428799 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199902 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 3sc |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 428799 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 100 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
Landed on runway 35R. After landing, was told to contact ground. Ground controller cleared us to taxi and hold short of runway 35L on taxiway Z. We noticed a jet on short final for runway 35C. As we crossed runway 35C, we commented to ourselves that it looked odd to us to have a jet on close final for runway 35C and that we were cleared to hold short of runway 35L. It appeared that, although odd, it would not pose a safety problem, so we continued across runway 35C and held short of runway 35L on taxiway Z. We then were contacted by ATC on the other side. When we spoke to ATC on the phone they indicated that we should have know to hold short of runway 35C as we would normally be given another frequency to contact prior to crossing runway 35C. However, we believe we were cleared on taxiway Z off runway 35R to taxi to and hold short of runway 35L and did not have to hold short of runway 35C. Controller on phone said it would not be a problem and we should not hear about it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A TAXIING ACR ACFT CROSSES RWY 35C, TXWY Z, AND HOLDS SHORT OF RWY 35L AS CLRED. GND CTL TELLS THEM THEY SHOULD HAVE HELD SHORT OF RWY 35C. AN ACFT HAD BEEN NOTED ON SHORT FINAL FOR RWY 35C BY THE TAXIING CREW.
Narrative: LANDED ON RWY 35R. AFTER LNDG, WAS TOLD TO CONTACT GND. GND CTLR CLRED US TO TAXI AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 35L ON TXWY Z. WE NOTICED A JET ON SHORT FINAL FOR RWY 35C. AS WE CROSSED RWY 35C, WE COMMENTED TO OURSELVES THAT IT LOOKED ODD TO US TO HAVE A JET ON CLOSE FINAL FOR RWY 35C AND THAT WE WERE CLRED TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 35L. IT APPEARED THAT, ALTHOUGH ODD, IT WOULD NOT POSE A SAFETY PROB, SO WE CONTINUED ACROSS RWY 35C AND HELD SHORT OF RWY 35L ON TXWY Z. WE THEN WERE CONTACTED BY ATC ON THE OTHER SIDE. WHEN WE SPOKE TO ATC ON THE PHONE THEY INDICATED THAT WE SHOULD HAVE KNOW TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 35C AS WE WOULD NORMALLY BE GIVEN ANOTHER FREQ TO CONTACT PRIOR TO XING RWY 35C. HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE WE WERE CLRED ON TXWY Z OFF RWY 35R TO TAXI TO AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 35L AND DID NOT HAVE TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 35C. CTLR ON PHONE SAID IT WOULD NOT BE A PROB AND WE SHOULD NOT HEAR ABOUT IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.