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|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : ywt|
airport : yyz
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 7000|
msl bound upper : 7000
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Commercial Fixed Wing|
|Flight Phase||descent other|
|Route In Use||arrival other|
arrival star : star
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 172|
flight time total : 9650
flight time type : 1010
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : commercial|
|Anomaly||other anomaly other|
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
At our company we have only 1 set of approach plates onboard our aircraft. We were going into toronto, ontario, when center assigned us the runway 6L profile descent into toronto. With only 1 set of plates for canada with good CRM on mind, I looked over the profile descent. I gave the plate to the first officer and have him monitor our progress on the plate. We crossed the ywt 15 DME arc at approximately 13000 ft and continued my descent to cross ricki intersection at 7000 ft and 210 KTS. When the first officer said, 'wait, you should be at 12000 ft,' and 'no wait,' there was some confusion in the cockpit. So I started to level off. Then, arrival said, 'are you continuing your descent?' so I pushed it over and the first officer said, 'yes.' then I looked at the GPS, it said we had 12 mi to go, so I put the gear down and 20 degree flaps and pushed it over. The controller kept asking if we 'were going to make the speed and altitude restr,' and the first officer said, 'yes.' we did cross ricki intersection at 7000 ft and 215 KTS. I don't know what the controller was reading on his screen. That's what worries me. We were coming down very fast (rate of descent). This same problem has happened to me before. Canadian charts are different from ours so I will have to brief the profile descent better and make sure there is no question, before starting, not during the descent. I should have told the controller of the mix-up and got vectors or something. I have included a copy of the profile descent into toronto, ontario.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CREW IS ISSUED ONLY 1 SET OF APCH CHARTS BY THEIR COMPANY.
Narrative: AT OUR COMPANY WE HAVE ONLY 1 SET OF APCH PLATES ONBOARD OUR ACFT. WE WERE GOING INTO TORONTO, ONTARIO, WHEN CTR ASSIGNED US THE RWY 6L PROFILE DSCNT INTO TORONTO. WITH ONLY 1 SET OF PLATES FOR CANADA WITH GOOD CRM ON MIND, I LOOKED OVER THE PROFILE DSCNT. I GAVE THE PLATE TO THE FO AND HAVE HIM MONITOR OUR PROGRESS ON THE PLATE. WE CROSSED THE YWT 15 DME ARC AT APPROX 13000 FT AND CONTINUED MY DSCNT TO CROSS RICKI INTXN AT 7000 FT AND 210 KTS. WHEN THE FO SAID, 'WAIT, YOU SHOULD BE AT 12000 FT,' AND 'NO WAIT,' THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION IN THE COCKPIT. SO I STARTED TO LEVEL OFF. THEN, ARR SAID, 'ARE YOU CONTINUING YOUR DSCNT?' SO I PUSHED IT OVER AND THE FO SAID, 'YES.' THEN I LOOKED AT THE GPS, IT SAID WE HAD 12 MI TO GO, SO I PUT THE GEAR DOWN AND 20 DEG FLAPS AND PUSHED IT OVER. THE CTLR KEPT ASKING IF WE 'WERE GOING TO MAKE THE SPD AND ALT RESTR,' AND THE FO SAID, 'YES.' WE DID CROSS RICKI INTXN AT 7000 FT AND 215 KTS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CTLR WAS READING ON HIS SCREEN. THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME. WE WERE COMING DOWN VERY FAST (RATE OF DSCNT). THIS SAME PROB HAS HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE. CANADIAN CHARTS ARE DIFFERENT FROM OURS SO I WILL HAVE TO BRIEF THE PROFILE DSCNT BETTER AND MAKE SURE THERE IS NO QUESTION, BEFORE STARTING, NOT DURING THE DSCNT. I SHOULD HAVE TOLD THE CTLR OF THE MIX-UP AND GOT VECTORS OR SOMETHING. I HAVE INCLUDED A COPY OF THE PROFILE DSCNT INTO TORONTO, ONTARIO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.