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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 421598 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199812 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ekn |
| State Reference | WV |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 31000 msl bound upper : 31000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc tower : ilm |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 29 |
| ASRS Report | 421598 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 27000 vertical : 900 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
I had issued a climb to a third aircraft, a B757, to climb to FL350. Later when I could wait no longer for the B757 to level above his traffic, a DC9 at FL330, I descended the DC9 to FL290 and asked for expeditious descent to get under climbing traffic and traffic level at FL310. I had enough time and distance to do this, I thought. The DC9, cargo, after 2 mins 30 seconds, had descended 800 ft. Not even standard rate. Turns were issued to the DC9 and the B737 (who was at FL310). All too little, too late. I expected better performance out of the DC9, and I waited too long to issue turns and/or other instructions. Controller 'a' got it again. This is my first deal in 15 yrs. A good wake up call for me. Reach out, make moves early. On the pilot's side -- it was as clear as a bell. Everybody saw everybody, no surprises, except for mine!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CTLR RPTS LESS THAN THE APPLICABLE SEPARATION MINIMA RESULTED BTWN 2 ACFT.
Narrative: I HAD ISSUED A CLB TO A THIRD ACFT, A B757, TO CLB TO FL350. LATER WHEN I COULD WAIT NO LONGER FOR THE B757 TO LEVEL ABOVE HIS TFC, A DC9 AT FL330, I DSNDED THE DC9 TO FL290 AND ASKED FOR EXPEDITIOUS DSCNT TO GET UNDER CLBING TFC AND TFC LEVEL AT FL310. I HAD ENOUGH TIME AND DISTANCE TO DO THIS, I THOUGHT. THE DC9, CARGO, AFTER 2 MINS 30 SECONDS, HAD DSNDED 800 FT. NOT EVEN STANDARD RATE. TURNS WERE ISSUED TO THE DC9 AND THE B737 (WHO WAS AT FL310). ALL TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE. I EXPECTED BETTER PERFORMANCE OUT OF THE DC9, AND I WAITED TOO LONG TO ISSUE TURNS AND/OR OTHER INSTRUCTIONS. CTLR 'A' GOT IT AGAIN. THIS IS MY FIRST DEAL IN 15 YRS. A GOOD WAKE UP CALL FOR ME. REACH OUT, MAKE MOVES EARLY. ON THE PLT'S SIDE -- IT WAS AS CLR AS A BELL. EVERYBODY SAW EVERYBODY, NO SURPRISES, EXCEPT FOR MINE!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.