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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 417500 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199810 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : uio airport : uio |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 9223 msl bound upper : 25000 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : uio |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other other vortac |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| ASRS Report | 417500 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Qit VOR has been OTS. Flight plans show same route as always, filed through qit. In the united states, this is usually not a problem on FMS aircraft, but in south america we have to raw data it below FL250. With this route this is impossible -- especially given the reliability of ascazubi NDB. Today with airborne, we were given right turn direct to ascazubi then direct to a fix well north of qit based off of qit. I am sure that this does not meet the third segment climb criteria since there are no published sids that go north without using qit. I believe we need to immediately check the third segment climb north and west of ascazubi and change our departures as required.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 CREW QUESTIONED THE LEGALITY OF THE COMPANY FILED FLT PLAN WITH QIT VOR OTS.
Narrative: QIT VOR HAS BEEN OTS. FLT PLANS SHOW SAME RTE AS ALWAYS, FILED THROUGH QIT. IN THE UNITED STATES, THIS IS USUALLY NOT A PROB ON FMS ACFT, BUT IN SOUTH AMERICA WE HAVE TO RAW DATA IT BELOW FL250. WITH THIS RTE THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE -- ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE RELIABILITY OF ASCAZUBI NDB. TODAY WITH AIRBORNE, WE WERE GIVEN R TURN DIRECT TO ASCAZUBI THEN DIRECT TO A FIX WELL N OF QIT BASED OFF OF QIT. I AM SURE THAT THIS DOES NOT MEET THE THIRD SEGMENT CLB CRITERIA SINCE THERE ARE NO PUBLISHED SIDS THAT GO N WITHOUT USING QIT. I BELIEVE WE NEED TO IMMEDIATELY CHK THE THIRD SEGMENT CLB N AND W OF ASCAZUBI AND CHANGE OUR DEPS AS REQUIRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.