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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 397610 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199803 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lga |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2200 |
| ASRS Report | 397610 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa other other : unspecified atc |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were descending into la guardia, nyc. I was getting the new ATIS, which included new landing runway, snow removal, braking action, type of new approach, etc. We were at 11000 ft. While I was listening to the new ATIS, the first officer received a clearance to descend to 9000 ft. As I was finishing my ATIS, ny approach asked him to slow to 250 KTS. I asked him why ny approach wanted 250 KTS when I realized (and he too) that he was doing 300 KTS. He slowed to 250 KTS. I asked him why he was still doing 300 KTS through 10000 ft. Several factors entered into this: I was very busy with ATIS at this low altitude due to new ATIS. We were on a reroute into lga with a long duty day. We were due in at our domicile at XA33. Now we would spend the 4TH night of a 4 day trip in atl or deadhead home late. Mindset -- the first officer's family event was tonight at our domicile. Rest of trip uneventful with the first officer making a nice approach and very nice landing on runway 22 at lga.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B767-300 FLC EXPERIENCES A SPD DEV WHEN THE FO EXCEEDS 250 KTS UNDER 10000 FT. CTLR ISSUES A CLRNC FOR A SPD REDUCTION WHILE PIC IS ON ATIS. PIC CITES SOME DISTRACTIONS INHIBITING CREW PERFORMANCE.
Narrative: WE WERE DSNDING INTO LA GUARDIA, NYC. I WAS GETTING THE NEW ATIS, WHICH INCLUDED NEW LNDG RWY, SNOW REMOVAL, BRAKING ACTION, TYPE OF NEW APCH, ETC. WE WERE AT 11000 FT. WHILE I WAS LISTENING TO THE NEW ATIS, THE FO RECEIVED A CLRNC TO DSND TO 9000 FT. AS I WAS FINISHING MY ATIS, NY APCH ASKED HIM TO SLOW TO 250 KTS. I ASKED HIM WHY NY APCH WANTED 250 KTS WHEN I REALIZED (AND HE TOO) THAT HE WAS DOING 300 KTS. HE SLOWED TO 250 KTS. I ASKED HIM WHY HE WAS STILL DOING 300 KTS THROUGH 10000 FT. SEVERAL FACTORS ENTERED INTO THIS: I WAS VERY BUSY WITH ATIS AT THIS LOW ALT DUE TO NEW ATIS. WE WERE ON A REROUTE INTO LGA WITH A LONG DUTY DAY. WE WERE DUE IN AT OUR DOMICILE AT XA33. NOW WE WOULD SPEND THE 4TH NIGHT OF A 4 DAY TRIP IN ATL OR DEADHEAD HOME LATE. MINDSET -- THE FO'S FAMILY EVENT WAS TONIGHT AT OUR DOMICILE. REST OF TRIP UNEVENTFUL WITH THE FO MAKING A NICE APCH AND VERY NICE LNDG ON RWY 22 AT LGA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.