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An A300-600 flight crew gives the wrong ETA for 30W to gander radio. Information was taken from the FMS and not crosschecked against their flight plan. 30W was crossed 7 mins later than the estimate given.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 396853 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199803 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : eggx |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 29000 msl bound upper : 29000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : eggx |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : atlantic enroute : other oceanic |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 195 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 275 |
| ASRS Report | 396853 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 396560 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight from jfk to lhr. At 40W filled out air reporting form and gave the estimate for 30W as PM46Z. This was given to gander and was an incorrect time. At the midpoint, the 30W time was checked against the flight plan and FMS, but was not checked on the report form. At 30W the time was found to be PM53Z, a 7 min error. This was reported to shanwick, who asked for confirmation of the time. We confirmed the time and no other reference was made to it by shanwick. I believe the problem arose from reading the wrong line of the FMS, and was supported by lack of xchking.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A300-600 FLC GIVES THE WRONG ETA FOR 30W TO GANDER RADIO. INFO WAS TAKEN FROM THE FMS AND NOT XCHKED AGAINST THEIR FLT PLAN. 30W WAS CROSSED 7 MINS LATER THAN THE ESTIMATE GIVEN.
Narrative: FLT FROM JFK TO LHR. AT 40W FILLED OUT AIR RPTING FORM AND GAVE THE ESTIMATE FOR 30W AS PM46Z. THIS WAS GIVEN TO GANDER AND WAS AN INCORRECT TIME. AT THE MIDPOINT, THE 30W TIME WAS CHKED AGAINST THE FLT PLAN AND FMS, BUT WAS NOT CHKED ON THE RPT FORM. AT 30W THE TIME WAS FOUND TO BE PM53Z, A 7 MIN ERROR. THIS WAS RPTED TO SHANWICK, WHO ASKED FOR CONFIRMATION OF THE TIME. WE CONFIRMED THE TIME AND NO OTHER REF WAS MADE TO IT BY SHANWICK. I BELIEVE THE PROB AROSE FROM READING THE WRONG LINE OF THE FMS, AND WAS SUPPORTED BY LACK OF XCHKING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.