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Flight crew of an large transport exceeded speed restr during arrival vector when operating below the floor of class B airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 395630 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199803 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lgb |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sna tower : ggg |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 600 |
| ASRS Report | 395630 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During arrival into lgb, first officer asked about slowing to 200 KTS at 2000 ft on vector. We did so not knowing our proximity to floor of TCA class B airspace. At ramp, we researched TCA class B and determined we may have been below floor at 250 KTS. Corrective action would be to insert a class B airspace depiction in all airport areas covered, not just lax. Increased detail on the depiction is necessary to ensure one can comply with speed restrs. Not enough information is currently available on the commercial chart.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN LGT EXCEEDED SPD RESTR DURING ARR VECTOR WHEN OPERATING BELOW THE FLOOR OF CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: DURING ARR INTO LGB, FO ASKED ABOUT SLOWING TO 200 KTS AT 2000 FT ON VECTOR. WE DID SO NOT KNOWING OUR PROX TO FLOOR OF TCA CLASS B AIRSPACE. AT RAMP, WE RESEARCHED TCA CLASS B AND DETERMINED WE MAY HAVE BEEN BELOW FLOOR AT 250 KTS. CORRECTIVE ACTION WOULD BE TO INSERT A CLASS B AIRSPACE DEPICTION IN ALL ARPT AREAS COVERED, NOT JUST LAX. INCREASED DETAIL ON THE DEPICTION IS NECESSARY TO ENSURE ONE CAN COMPLY WITH SPD RESTRS. NOT ENOUGH INFO IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE ON THE COMMERCIAL CHART.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.