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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 390481 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199801 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : cyn |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 25000 msl bound upper : 25000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : zdc |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 19 |
| ASRS Report | 390481 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : developmental |
| Experience | controller military : 3 controller radar : 1 |
| ASRS Report | 390210 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 21000 vertical : 600 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Air carrier X handed off to ZDC from ZNY climbing to FL240. I was giving OJT to a trainee with approximately 100 hours on this position. Trainee climbed air carrier X to FL310 initially then amended to FL280. Air carrier Y was northbound direct to jfk at FL250. I was aware of both aircraft and potential conflict but decided to wait to let trainee resolve (aircraft would pass approximately 4 mi). Trainee attempted to turn air carrier X 20 degrees west -- this was not acknowledged on first call. Trainee repeated instruction to air carrier X then turned air carrier Y 30 degrees east. When trainee realized there would be possible loss of approved separation turned air carrier X an additional 30 degrees right. Could have possibly maintained approved separation with an immediate turn and descent but I felt the dangers to passenger and crew in the maneuver was far worse than lacking 1 mi of separation. Supplemental information from acn 390210: aircraft sbound on J79 to vills intersection. Sbound passed first 2 northbound aircraft and was then issued a climb. Third aircraft came within 3 NM and 500 ft of sbound traffic. Third aircraft was /a equipped. Had the third aircraft had RNAV he may not have tracked west of the first two.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CTLR TRAINEE WITH AN INSTRUCTOR CLBS A SBOUND ACR THROUGH AN OPPOSITE DIRECTION ACR'S ALT. THE TRAINEE ISSUED TURNS TO BOTH ACFT, BUT THEY WERE NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH OR TIMELY ENOUGH TO PREVENT A LOSS OF SEPARATION.
Narrative: ACR X HANDED OFF TO ZDC FROM ZNY CLBING TO FL240. I WAS GIVING OJT TO A TRAINEE WITH APPROX 100 HRS ON THIS POS. TRAINEE CLBED ACR X TO FL310 INITIALLY THEN AMENDED TO FL280. ACR Y WAS NBOUND DIRECT TO JFK AT FL250. I WAS AWARE OF BOTH ACFT AND POTENTIAL CONFLICT BUT DECIDED TO WAIT TO LET TRAINEE RESOLVE (ACFT WOULD PASS APPROX 4 MI). TRAINEE ATTEMPTED TO TURN ACR X 20 DEGS W -- THIS WAS NOT ACKNOWLEDGED ON FIRST CALL. TRAINEE REPEATED INSTRUCTION TO ACR X THEN TURNED ACR Y 30 DEGS E. WHEN TRAINEE REALIZED THERE WOULD BE POSSIBLE LOSS OF APPROVED SEPARATION TURNED ACR X AN ADDITIONAL 30 DEGS R. COULD HAVE POSSIBLY MAINTAINED APPROVED SEPARATION WITH AN IMMEDIATE TURN AND DSCNT BUT I FELT THE DANGERS TO PAX AND CREW IN THE MANEUVER WAS FAR WORSE THAN LACKING 1 MI OF SEPARATION. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 390210: ACFT SBOUND ON J79 TO VILLS INTXN. SBOUND PASSED FIRST 2 NBOUND ACFT AND WAS THEN ISSUED A CLB. THIRD ACFT CAME WITHIN 3 NM AND 500 FT OF SBOUND TFC. THIRD ACFT WAS /A EQUIPPED. HAD THE THIRD ACFT HAD RNAV HE MAY NOT HAVE TRACKED W OF THE FIRST TWO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.